I would like to ask that if the risk with the new warden is equally applied to all forms of botting. For example if I only use tyrael/lazyraider and I disable interupts/dispels is the risk still equal to if I am using gatherbuddy or questing profiles? I mean, is the risk that probably warden can generally detect honorbuddy that is running regardless what you are doing with it?
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I see.. too bad then, I have to terminate my sub. I play wow only because of honorbuddy. There are much better and beautiful games out there to play without botting
With minimal disclosure on exactly what the changes were to Warden that prompted the tripwire event, I would have to agree that all forms of botting have to be assumed to have an equal level of risk associated with them.
For all we know, Warden was changed to such a degree that if it now detects a player hitting the exact same coordinates in a specific pattern in any location (BG's for example) over a specified period of time that it will now insta-ban the account.
The honest answer is, we just don't know what Warden (Or its "friends") is looking at any differently now than it was before. Whether that is enhanced pattern detection or some ability for Warden to detect the HB program being attached to the WoW client.
Maybe we have nothing to worry about if all we do is run Tyrael / Lazyraider / Combat Bot + Combat Routines... Maybe we do?
Consider this... Prior to this tripwire, did you believe there was no risk at all?
The risk of getting banned has always been there. So if you were willing to roll the dice once at the risk of your account being banned, what has changed? Are you less willing to risk your account now? You said yourself that there are better games out there to play, and the only reason you play wow is because of HB... If that's true, and this tripwire event is going to cause you to not renew your sub, I say continue as normal. The risk has always been there, regardless of our willingness to acknowledge it. So just play the way you always have, and let Blizz decide to terminate your account, if there are really any additional risks at all over what was there before.
You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...
Go get your biscuit!
For all we know, Warden was changed to such a degree that if it now detects a player hitting the exact same coordinates in a specific pattern in any location (BG's for example) over a specified period of time that it will now insta-ban the account.
The honest answer is, we just don't know what Warden (Or its "friends") is looking at any differently now than it was before. Whether that is enhanced pattern detection or some ability for Warden to detect the HB program being attached to the WoW client.
Maybe we have nothing to worry about if all we do is run Tyrael / Lazyraider / Combat Bot + Combat Routines... Maybe we do?
Consider this... Prior to this tripwire, did you believe there was no risk at all?
The risk of getting banned has always been there. So if you were willing to roll the dice once at the risk of your account being banned, what has changed? Are you less willing to risk your account now? You said yourself that there are better games out there to play, and the only reason you play wow is because of HB... If that's true, and this tripwire event is going to cause you to not renew your sub, I say continue as normal. The risk has always been there, regardless of our willingness to acknowledge it. So just play the way you always have, and let Blizz decide to terminate your account, if there are really any additional risks at all over what was there before.
You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...
Go get your biscuit!
hey thanks for the answer.
There was always a risk of course but devs said that HB is not detectable for just running on my processes and that the risk was the in-game use of it. So I always tried to minimize the risks. I did not use gatherbuddy for more than 2 hours and never used questing profiles without being to my second pc and always babysitting the account. On the rotation routines I always turned off the interrupts and dispels because this is what calls bots usually or might get you a report from other players. I also read that warden could read certain patterns in order to identify bots, for example using gatherbuddy and moving to the same coordinates for hours.
Now the thing is, can they now detect honorbuddy for just running in processes? Or they have increased the patterns they check to spot it? For example maybe they now also check how fast you interrupt a spell and compare it with your lag and manage to understand that is no human. Anyway, I don't mind the normal risk, just the un-necessary risk. So I ll step off for a while and see how things going.
There was always a risk of course but devs said that HB is not detectable for just running on my processes and that the risk was the in-game use of it. So I always tried to minimize the risks. I did not use gatherbuddy for more than 2 hours and never used questing profiles without being to my second pc and always babysitting the account. On the rotation routines I always turned off the interrupts and dispels because this is what calls bots usually or might get you a report from other players. I also read that warden could read certain patterns in order to identify bots, for example using gatherbuddy and moving to the same coordinates for hours.
Now the thing is, can they now detect honorbuddy for just running in processes? Or they have increased the patterns they check to spot it? For example maybe they now also check how fast you interrupt a spell and compare it with your lag and manage to understand that is no human. Anyway, I don't mind the normal risk, just the un-necessary risk. So I ll step off for a while and see how things going.
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As i told my roomie - Bro, Keep calm. You are getting paranoid.
made my gold from gatherbuddy doing the start of this xpan, last half year ive been raiding. But never banned. And ive farmed ALOT. Its about smart botting. Public profiles end you chasing another bot. Same does questing.
Just relax, get outside some and wait for the HB crews report are we in a rush, at this point of the expansion 
Because the IP swap everytime you quest is less suspesious.
What? So all good players are botters? Ive never seen such a claim from any other player in pve at least. Pvp over-powered reactions ofc stand out, thats why most ccs has interupts delay times. And FYI, if you set your interupt to ~0.5sec before finish casts, its never 0,5s. Server lag and delay makes that number vary, making it seem more natural. Ofc there is a difference from a interupts time between 0.3 to 2 sec and 0.3 to 0. 7 sec. But Blizz aint monitoring this for what we know.
There Warden has "Friends". Thise friends are often, believe it or not, other players and botters. Ive been botting for a while now
made my gold from gatherbuddy doing the start of this xpan, last half year ive been raiding. But never banned. And ive farmed ALOT. Its about smart botting. Public profiles end you chasing another bot. Same does questing.Again with the paranoid stuff. There is a limit to how much blizzard can monitor and how much they actually monitor from us. You have to really have flagged out big time to get under such investigation - not saying they actually can monitor your interupt rates.
Just relax, get outside some and wait for the HB crews report
are we in a rush, at this point of the expansion Interrupts/dispels is mostly avoid getting report from other players. When I first started running the bot I poped into LFR to check it out. I had around 30+ dispels and the second one had 2-3. Granted they might were probably "noobs" but also they couldn't stand a chance to get a dispel before I do. This also going to interrupts as well. If you check official forums and people complaining about bots, especially in pvp, 90% of the time they talk about un-natural fast reactions on interrupts/dispels. Lowering the interrupt/dispel time on the combat routine is sure very good. But, I also try to avoid the chance of getting report by an angry interrupted player, and draw unwanted attention from Blizzard...
I may be paranoid but if that makes me "feel" safer, then be it!
I may be paranoid
but if that makes me "feel" safer, then be it!
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In Vanilla/BC/WotLK, I played a Warrior tank... On fights that required interrupts, I would have tons of interrupts, with the second place guys being WAY behind me... That was long before I took the HB plunge. Do I get more interrupts now than I used to? I dunno, I've always used an addon that lit up my interrupt button any time there is an interruptable spell, as long as my interrupt isn't on CD, it's pretty obvious and I punch that thing.
Super human reaction times? No, but I rarely miss an interrupt, even when I am playing manually... And I usually hit it as soon as it lights up, within a half second...
So to the suck fest people that complain about people that interrupt too fast, I say... Stop sucking and L2P!! LoL
There are a lot of really good players out there that can dispel and interrupt anything and everything... Right at the moment they start casting. It's not super human, it's addons... Pretty sure mine is triggered by OmniCC
Don't turn off that capability... Unless you want to be labeled as a suck fest noob!
Super human reaction times? No, but I rarely miss an interrupt, even when I am playing manually... And I usually hit it as soon as it lights up, within a half second...
So to the suck fest people that complain about people that interrupt too fast, I say... Stop sucking and L2P!! LoL
There are a lot of really good players out there that can dispel and interrupt anything and everything... Right at the moment they start casting. It's not super human, it's addons... Pretty sure mine is triggered by OmniCC
Don't turn off that capability... Unless you want to be labeled as a suck fest noob!
You are completely missing the point. It is not about players not being able to interrupt or dispel. It is the super fast responsiveness, that no human player could possibly hold up a decent amount of time, let alone hours of played arena matches with You interrupting casts the very millisecond Your opponent performs them.
THAT is what we are talking about and THAT is what raises suspicion as well as anger. CC like TUANHA's routines give you some room to play with that fortunately.
Oh, I do Arena, so I'm aware that the instant interrupts are a bitch... I suppose what I was trying to say was if you were facing a good player, as opposed to a bot, you were likely going to get interrupted anyway, even if it wasn't the millisecond a spell cast started, it was gonna happen. That's how it goes in 2K+ Arena...
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it is very different to "get interrupted anyway" from "getting interrupted milliseconds after you "thought" using a spell". Just see at official forums...people think that this is bot and if they think is bot and is enough to report me then the whole conversation about what a good player can do is irrelevant for me
I just don't want to draw attention.Since you're certain that the changes only affect HB and similar bots, would you mind sharing the changes that you found?
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I'm no PvP pro but who wants to interrupt a cast instantly? That makes no sense to me. When en enemy is casting he can't do anything else so you want to interrupt him as LATE as possible and not as fast. So superhuman reflexes might look suspicious but they also make no sense, at least to me.
Soap,
You're a cool dude but I'm sorry to say I have a hard time trusting you 100%. Your rotations seem really good but I've passed on buying mainly because I don't trust the safety of your product. You've made similar claims in the past about the safety (while PQR wasn't your product, your product used PQR): I've edited the URL because I think rules ban me linking to sales threads but I quoted below from another forum made on 12-21-2013.
"With that being said, if you purchase my profiles, I am willing to guarantee your account for a epicNPC estimated value in the event it ever gets banned and is proven to be from PQR. it just doesn't happen.
Also *name removed*, do you think I would be here selling something that people can get free? I am selling the fact that my work out performs everything out there. This thread is not to advertise other bots, especially very risky ones like honorbuddy, if you have purchased my profiles feel free to leave feedback, otherwise please refrain from de-railing this thread."
Granted, a lot of people got burned by PQR but you made a pretty strong statement there and it turned out to be completely false, especially since you trashed HB and PQR/PE turned out to be 100x more riskier than HB. If your product is safe now and we can verify it, that would be great. As other people have said, can you elaborate more about the changes? Not trying to stir up trouble just genuinely curious. I haven't followed the development of your product that much so I can't speak to any changes you've made, especially on detection and early-warning side.
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Don't buy anything this guy says he honestly should be banned from HB forums or at the least muted indefinitely. He is here solely to rep his own products. He constantly bashes HB and spews bullshit about HB wherever he goes. I'de be willing to bet a lot that he has little to no knowledge of any of the warden changes and even if he "thinks" he does.. why would you trust him? He's been completely wrong about protection in the past.. history tends to repeat itself.
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Exactly my thoughts but I thought I'd at least give him the chance to defend himself. HB always has and will be the best botting program.
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Coolio99 I love how you owned him like that but I got to ask who are you? You obviously know your shit but you just joined today so I'm betting you have another name or something? I'm a nobody in this community but I do enjoy reading the forums daily and you just made my day!
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