Paid Quality Profiles and/or Open Source Profiles

[tombstone]

There are only two 1-60 questing profiles on the forum that I know of (actually, mordd's is only 1-45), and the 1-60 Dwarf/Gnome one is currently somewhat buggy and incomplete.

HB staff, I beg of you... Please take some of that money a lot of us gave you for our lifetime subscriptions and pay someone to make professional 1-80 questing/grinding profiles for both horde and alliance. Can't we just do this and be done with it already? I know you all are busy working on the actual bot program, but all this reliance on individual un-paid members of the community just means giant headaches for everyone, and the few people who claim to have built "perfect" profiles aren't sharing them.

Another option would be to create a "crowd-sourced" project that *anyone* could edit and contribute to. Just install a wiki on the server and create topics for the different 1-80 profiles and be done with it. Everyone contributes and everyone benefits. I'm tired of all the ego games and "give credit where it's due" and "I'm not going to share my profile because I worked so hard on it and don't want to give it away for free".

If you all like the wiki open source idea but don't want to go to the trouble of setting it up, I will even volunteer my services in this area.

 

[yayfreebies]

LOL you just re-wrote this from my thread

 

[Cittidel]

Do you even know what open source means?..

It's not like the profiles have fucking 256-bit AES encryption. Go edit them, you just need notepad. -_-

 

[tombstone]

LOL you just re-wrote this from my thread

Yeah because I wanted to bring it to the attention of everyone and I realized my original message would probably get lost in your (somewhat un-related) thread. I also re-phrased a couple of things that were said.

 

[yayfreebies]

yes... somewhat... unrelated

 

[tombstone]

Do you even know what open source means?..

It's not like the profiles have fucking 256-bit AES encryption. Go edit them, you just need notepad. -_-

Yes, I know what open source means and I am aware that all the public profiles are "open source" already. I realize now that I used the wrong wording. What I really meant was more along the lines of "crowd-sourced". I have updated my original post accordingly.

 

[floundizzle]

Another option would be to create a "crowd-sourced" project that *anyone* could edit and contribute to.

You mean like...having forums where people can post the profiles they create.

Any developer who wants to help can post a profile or make suggestions for others. I don't think the wiki would improve anything.

 

[tombstone]

You mean like...having forums where people can post the profiles they create.

The problem with the forum approach is that you have a lot of duplicated efforts. Do we *really* need a 1-60 profile section with twenty completely different profiles from random people (with every single profile having problems of some sort)?

I'm calling for *official* 1-80 questing/grinding profiles that are built and bug tested and edited by anyone and everyone, not just maintained by one person. HB staff could even theoretically start packaging the latest stable builds of the official profiles with every release of HonorBuddy.

The way it stands now, new HB users have to stumble around and ask the *same* questions over and over again in the forums and chat room (which is annoying for the rest of us) because they have to randomly try different profiles on the forums and bounce around between them and attempt to fix problems on their own. It's really altogether unnecessarily confusing and tedious for new users, in my humble opinion.

 

[theholyone]

enjoy.
filler bot 5000


Some parts might be missing though but can be easily filled in

 

[Apoc]

Personally; I've never been a fan of '1-60' profiles.

I'd much rather have a folder of 50 different files, for a bunch of level ranges, using a bunch of different areas. The bot can simply pick and choose the 'closest' or best profile to use from that list.

IMO, someone just needs to merge all the 'profiles' into a giant profile, with tons and tons of subprofiles that are properly written.


Oh wait... that makes no sense... it just does exactly what is already out there!

Sorry, but I doubt the developers have enough time to maintain Honorbuddy, Gatherbuddy, new 'quest' features, outstanding bugs, user errors, and a plethora of other things that are being constantly complained about. As I've said before, once the community decides to start being a community, you'll see higher quality profiles emerging. Unfortunately; the profile creation is currently lacking any easy to use tools. (Mine works, if you only want to grind) I've been pushing hard to get people off their ass and start creating their own content. Too many people are still stuck in the "glider had 2938402948 profiles, why can't I just use those?!" era. Glider's profiles took YEARS to stack up to the sheer amount that it has/had. Honorbuddy uses a completely different system for profiles, which means people need to put in a little work.

Also, questing isn't something available in most bots. I know of 2 that implement it publicly, and a very small handful of private bots. Not a single one of them has the flexibility of Honorbuddy.

Instead of complaining about a lack of stuff, why don't you put in some time, and do something to change it.

Here's what you pay for:

• A near bugless gather bot. (Gatherbuddy)
• A constantly evolving, and very complex 'all around' bot. (Honorbuddy)
• Top notch Warden protection.
• Questing features.
• Mostly automated botting experience. (There's really not much you have to do to make HB 'go')
• More features than nearly any bot has ever given.
• An incredibly robust API that allows 'users' to create their OWN CONTENT to customize the bot how they want.
• Battleground support
• Semi-instance support. (Meshes are there, no current instance bots. Those are soon to come though)
• Incredibly flexible profiling system. (Face it, you can create simple 'grind here' profiles, or incredibly complex questing profiles that handle grinding, questing, battlegrounds, RAF, etc, all in one.)
• Very good 'tech support'. If you have an issue; it's addressed fairly quickly. (Aside from a few bugs in the bot which are hard to iron out.)
• A whole host of other features, both current, and in development.

Now, you paid 80eur for all of that. (Assuming a lifetime sub)

You tell me, how much is that ACTUALLY worth?

I understand you guys are frustrated that you "paid for a bot that doesn't have all the default trimmings", when in fact it does. Questing is still in beta, so none of you have room to be complaining about lack of profiles. If there aren't enough, simply go back to grinding/BGs. Or make your own.

The developers, and other staff members, can't just drop everything to appease you guys every time you have one little thing to complain about, there are much more important things to be doing most of the time. Sure, they'll usually help you with little issues, and sometimes bigger ones. But you can't expect them to do absolutely everything, with a product that can't possibly please everyone.

At any rate; I think having a community effort on a 'single pack' of profiles is both good, and bad.
1) It's a single profile set. This brings you back to the times when Glider was seeing bans from people using the same profiles.
2) There won't be much innovation, or use of any other profiles, if everyone has the exact same set of profiles.

 

[theholyone]

i still want my theory of a buddyforum.de format and start fresh off again

 

[tombstone]

At any rate; I think having a community effort on a 'single pack' of profiles is both good, and bad.
1) It's a single profile set. This brings you back to the times when Glider was seeing bans from people using the same profiles.
2) There won't be much innovation, or use of any other profiles, if everyone has the exact same set of profiles.

Ok, so how about this for an idea. Instead of just trying to change the entire world, let's start small.

1. I'll set up a publicly accessible wiki with different topics for the different 1-80 profiles.
2. I'll set up starter templates in each one.
3. People can edit/add/remove pieces of the profiles as needed. Any time they encounter a problem (and fix it on their own), they can update the profile on the wiki.
4. I'll periodically post recent stable builds of the "wiki profiles" over onto the forum.

Assuming it doesn't all degrade into a god-awful mess, these "wiki profiles" would function as a generic starting point for new HB users, without out-moding all the other custom profiles that are found on the forums. People could still mix and match and do their profiles the way they've always done. This would just be the alternate crowd-sourced option, and we can just see where it goes from there.

I like your idea of merging all the 'profiles' into a giant profile, with tons and tons of subprofiles that are properly written.

All HonorBuddy would have to do is pick the closest sub-profile that matched the bot's current region in-game (and the bot's current level range) and it would bot and quest in that area. The profile should ideally contain questing and grinding information for every single zone in the game so you could just start the bot anywhere and it would do it's thing. If you're level 40 and want to bot in Tanaris, just fly your bot there. If you want to bot in a different level 40 area, just move your bot there manually and re-start it. That would be the ultimate idea right?

If the profile is rich enough and has enough information, people should be able to run it without it running the exact same route every time and looking like a bot. Does HB support any kind of profile selection or hotspot randomization or is it purely linear?

 

[theholyone]

what you are asking for is for the devs to stop working on updating HB and work on profiles for a quite buggy * no offense * honorbuddy

 

[zar101]

Cant we just close threads like this and be done with it?

 

[yayfreebies]

Your idea COULD work, why not give it a try instead of talking about it.

 

[theholyone]

no because people like seeing threads that involve the word paid and profiles

 

[tombstone]

what you are asking for is for the devs to stop working on updating HB and work on profiles for a quite buggy * no offense * honorbuddy?

I never asked for them to stop work on HB. I asked for them to use some of their money they get from selling HB to turn around and *hire* someone (such as an experienced profile maker here on these forums).

 

[tombstone]

Your idea COULD work, why not give it a try instead of talking about it.

I think I shall. I'm in the process of trying out a couple of wiki platforms and getting the initial stuff set up. I'll post in the forums when I have something further to show.

 

[Tony]

I think I shall. I'm in the process of trying out a couple of wiki platforms and getting the initial stuff set up. I'll post in the forums when I have something further to show.

looking forward for your work then

 

[MDurner11]

PM me if you'd like help, I think this is a good concept. I also have MSN (in my profile info).

Although I'm going to sleep since it's 3AM.