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Pryze

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Not scripted. Not from management. What I wrote is based on my own experiences working at this company for over 6 years. I know almost each and every member of our anti-hack team personally, and I can speak first-hand as to how seriously they treat their role. They work long hours, they invest themselves completely, and they rarely get any praise for what they do because their job is never done. Yesterday, I spoke with one of the guys on the team for over an hour about how difficult and frustrating it is to keep up with all the different ways that players want to exploit the game. You find a certain kind of automation program and get rid of it, another pops up in its place, and now it's even harder to detect. Or you know that some players are using a particular type of bot based on intuition and experience on the job, but you can't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Permanently banning a Diablo III license isn't something we take lightly, and there's a lot more that goes into actioning someone for botting than what meets the eye. (Yes, kind of like Transformers, but fortunately with less Shia LeBouf.)

But, to counter your point more specifically, we have done many things to deter botting and remove those who are botting from the game environment. From the development side -- just to name a few things -- we've implemented game limits and AH limits. We've painstakingly removed exploitable monsters, chests, events, and locations, or made adjustments to them so that they would not benefit botters. And we continue to add layers to our reporting systems (I'll pass on your feedback about adding more, though). On top of that, we have meetings each week with the development team to discuss what more we can do to help prevent this kind behavior (like I said previously, though, most solutions would negatively impact legitimate players...for example, CAPTCHA). From the anti-hack side, we monitor for bad behavior around the clock, and we routinely issue ban waves for verified cases of botting. We've also brought legal action against several companies who develop these types of programs.

But we agree with you: it's not enough. Of course, we're not sure that what we can do will ever be enough (we don't know if we can eliminate exploitative behavior completely), but we're willing to try. It's an ongoing battle, though, not something you win after a couple of quick matches.

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It seems like a little bit crying over, how hard it is for them ;D
 
Source is linked. I do believe they cannot keep up.. This might spill over to pulling the trigger much too quickly or banning innocents.
 
Source is linked. I do believe they cannot keep up.. This might spill over to pulling the trigger much too quickly or banning innocents.

Is botting the real problem or is the lack of end content like pvp the real problem?
 
I think they're not even trying, else most of us would have been banned by now. I call PR bullshit on this.
 
Is botting the real problem or is the lack of end content like pvp the real problem?

I personally feel like it's the lack of things to do end game that MAY entice someone to stray from their playing module. People have been going HAM about the PvP in D3 since release.. Still waiting on that & it's clear that it's not exactly at the top of the priority list. So do I think people would be less focused on botting if we had something like PvP.. not likely. I don't blame blizzard for my botting.
 
pvp would distract a large portion of the playerbase from mf'ing, and reduce the saturation on market..... though this could just worsen the inflation of the [high-end] items that remained for sale.
 
I think that they could ban 90% of botters within few days if they wanted to, but currently, game is pretty "dead", or at least, it would be if the best endgame gamer would be obtainable only by 0.1% of people (those with fat wallets), this way we flood the market with "average gear" and prices of these are extremely cheep these days, items that were going for 2.000.000.000 cost 300-500mil now, and gold felt down to less than 0.3e/1mil, so most of people who are still playing can tryout different build/sets now, and try to make their characters "the best".

I think that's only reason why are they allowing us to do what we do, if they increase number of real players significantly(active players) in future (no idea how, either by making great PvP system or with new expansion), they will probably ban bigger part of the bots.


Currently I think they're only focusing on dupers, since they're messing with code of the game it self.
 
I think the big issue here is private bottors, regardless of what people think Blizzard is pretty smart when it comes to these sorts of things.

They could fairly easily ban a lot of us using free profiles and such, but if they directly targeted small time/semi small time bottors (and even some larger bottors are using DB) they would create a monopoly for the very private bottors who would be a lot more difficult to ban. In the way they are banning now, this doesn't happen.

Though I think it has gotten out of hand, perhaps they should be doing more.

Remember way back when gold prices were great and that private bottor was saying Blizzard needs to do something about all these public bots, well yeah, because he had totally custom bot programs made by himself and would benefit greatly from such actions.
 
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Does seem like their trying. I've had my bot running 24/7 for the past 2 months and still not banned. I wonder what it takes for them to ban you?
 
Honestly, to this day, I still think Blizzard is blowing smoke up it's users asses about their anti-cheat team. I mean seriously, we basically verified a few years back that there was a single person working on the WoW Warden client. It honestly wouldn't take much for Blizzard to implement something that could detect any bot running, no matter what it is. (I can even provide code showing it!)

Blizzard's anti-cheat is very good. I'll never say otherwise. It does exactly what it's meant to. Catch people who are using hacks, etc, from people who don't know how to deal with Warden. Plain and simple, Blizz will never be able to detect any bot or hack running from someone who has any knowledge of how Warden works, or who monitors what it scans. However, I still think Blizz is doing nothing to deter botting in general. Sure, the addition of the game limits killed crazy GPH bots, but didn't stop any bots at all. Just made them wait more. They removed the exploitable areas+mobs, etc. Nothing new from any online game. People will find it and exploit it whether they're botting, or doing it manually. It's a fact of life, path of least resistance.

I'm not saying the entire "anti-cheat" team at Blizzard is lazy, but it sure as hell seems like it. There are many ways you can detect a bot vs a normal person, especially when you have the ability to implement things on a server that no 3rd party has access to.

Just keep in mind; Blizzard has to play cat and mouse with us. They will implement something, and we'll work around it. Eventually, it's not cost-efficient for them to keep playing the game. (Hence the lawsuits) They've still yet to catch any of our bots. (Except a short stint back with GB related to another hack)
 
Honestly, to this day, I still think Blizzard is blowing smoke up it's users asses about their anti-cheat team. I mean seriously, we basically verified a few years back that there was a single person working on the WoW Warden client. It honestly wouldn't take much for Blizzard to implement something that could detect any bot running, no matter what it is. (I can even provide code showing it!)

Blizzard's anti-cheat is very good. I'll never say otherwise. It does exactly what it's meant to. Catch people who are using hacks, etc, from people who don't know how to deal with Warden. Plain and simple, Blizz will never be able to detect any bot or hack running from someone who has any knowledge of how Warden works, or who monitors what it scans. However, I still think Blizz is doing nothing to deter botting in general. Sure, the addition of the game limits killed crazy GPH bots, but didn't stop any bots at all. Just made them wait more. They removed the exploitable areas+mobs, etc. Nothing new from any online game. People will find it and exploit it whether they're botting, or doing it manually. It's a fact of life, path of least resistance.

I'm not saying the entire "anti-cheat" team at Blizzard is lazy, but it sure as hell seems like it. There are many ways you can detect a bot vs a normal person, especially when you have the ability to implement things on a server that no 3rd party has access to.

Just keep in mind; Blizzard has to play cat and mouse with us. They will implement something, and we'll work around it. Eventually, it's not cost-efficient for them to keep playing the game. (Hence the lawsuits) They've still yet to catch any of our bots. (Except a short stint back with GB related to another hack)

Did the CEO of Activision diverted Blizzard's technical manpower to developing the Call of Duty series instead?
Call Of Duty?: Black Ops II Delivers More Than $500 Million In Worldwide Retail Sales In First 24 Hours
"With first day sales of over half a billion dollars worldwide, we believe Call of Duty is the biggest entertainment launch of the year for the fourth year in a row," said Bobby Kotick, CEO, Activision Blizzard, Inc. "Life-to-date sales for the Call of Duty franchise have exceeded worldwide theatrical box office receipts for "Harry Potter" and "Star Wars," the two most successful movie franchises of all time. Given the challenged macro-economic environment, we remain cautious about the balance of 2012 and 2013."
 
It honestly wouldn't take much for Blizzard to implement something that could detect any bot running, no matter what it is. (I can even provide code showing it!)

This reminded me of something, many years ago when we used to hack satellite signal's to reprogram and open up channel's we were not subscribed to.. The big Satellite providers fought for years to shut us down, playing the usual cat and mouse game. Until they actually "hired" two of the main coders on the hack team. 6 months later the hobby was destroyed for 99.5% of the people that were into it, and it never returned.

Hopefully Mr Apoc does not have a price.
 
This reminded me of something, many years ago when we used to hack satellite signal's to reprogram and open up channel's we were not subscribed to.. The big Satellite providers fought for years to shut us down, playing the usual cat and mouse game. Until they actually "hired" two of the main coders on the hack team. 6 months later the hobby was destroyed for 99.5% of the people that were into it, and it never returned.

Hopefully Mr Apoc does not have a price.
no, he dosnt. besides they would only need him for one thing, and thats not what he likes doing. that would be like buying a cow because you like the sound it makes when it moo's not because it taste good, or makes awesome-tasitc milk.

they decided to pick their pony when they started to sue people. its as simple as that.
 
Does seem like their trying. I've had my bot running 24/7 for the past 2 months and still not banned. I wonder what it takes for them to ban you?

Dont worry, you will fall some day with the rest of us
 
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