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My Suggestion For Anti-Flag

anotherid

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About getting no currency (Aka flagged) problem.
(Post this with another id because my id is too similar with my main account)

I never got banned since I've been careful but flagged more than 8 accounts and getting no more currency.

IP and Mac address Changing and Starting with new accounts.
Even Formatting HDD and Fresh Windows.
Nothing solved this problem.

I've never botted afk more than 20 minutes and I even recorded it to see what actually triggers no currency state.

My account got flagged (getting no currency) after i got disconnected and relog-in or after making a new instance.
(And I think relog-in speed was too fast...)

Unlike others, and like the others, I got flagged less than 1~3 hour botting every time before even get to level 20.
Half the time I was doing manually. Not just that and also my account with +60 (manually played) got flagged within 2 hours botting.

I've been using both Stable and Beta version. all the same.


So I was thinking Why does it happen to me and some players and not to the others.

Below is what I assumed so far.

Considering GGG is hysterically strict to looking-like botting activities,
I think most of time this bot acts too fast (compared to other stable bots)

I assume that GGG (maybe) also bought this bot and analized botting activities
that's not human-like and constantly doing ridiculous.

And it's not that difficult to analyze some ridiculous botting pattern.
(Like some users noticed and pointed out already ,like stashing portal scroll and back to inven, And there are a lot more to find)

Yeah, Just one pattern will not trigger.
but more than two that matches with the bot patterns might be enough to get the account flagged.

Anti-bot mechanism may takes a certain amount of server resources
So they might concentrate it on fresh accounts only for now.

But it doesn't mean they won't expand target range to relatively older accounts.

So We should keep this possibilities in mind.

★First
When bot makes new instance, I don't know why but It tries to make a new instance 3 or 4 times. (As the bot window says)
I assumed this happens because of a little bit low ping times and slow loading?

My ping is 150ms on average.
My system is quite slow because of other botting(like d3) and a lot of programs up.

If this means bot sending signal every try,
I think it gets suspicious doing this constantly every time you enter areas.

you should put a more than 3 seconds for another try.

★Second
If there is no remaining instance, the bot should not enter the area by making new instance.
Nobody but only bot do that every time.


★Third
Leave at least more than one monster (it will be more safe more than one) in the field If it's not unique monster.

If Monsters are certain range away from player and no more than x number, just consider it as cleared.
I want this as an option with x number and with enable and disable check.

No one completely clears areas all the time.
it's so inefficient for users to find one left monster in the area unless the area is linear like the ledge.

For instance, In the tidal islands some monsters are hidden in deep sea area
and normal users can't find them and kill all the time but bot does all the time.


★Fourth
After death, Bot revives too fast (I can't even see the message)
a little loose and randomized timing needed.


★Fifth
if there are two dropped items on the ground very close. bot loots (more like vacuum) two items instantly super-human-like.
The faster bot is, The more it get suspicious. Human can never be so fast all the time without only slight timing or acting differences.
(And also bot doesn't loot in front of it and kill monsters ten times far away than dropped items. It's ridiculous.)

I know these kind of act doesn't trigger anti-bot mechanism in any other games but with GGG?
I think it's enough to them make the account getting no currency at least to see how the account owner responses.
(Especially when the account is fresh.)

We should consider the fact that P.O.E. is free game and GGG won't hesitate to do anything anti-bot.

(And my accounts paid for more stash and ect.. also get flagged.... :()

Randomized timing is needed for stashing too. It is too clock-ticking and Also human can't do that.

if you had to stash 5 items bot should stash like that;
Stash after 1.06 sec, Stash. after 1.13, Stash.


I have more clues in mind that might get my account flagged.
Someday I want to try beta build at least ★One~★Four applied.

I don't feel like botting for now, it takes too much time to handle by myself.
And even doing that I got flagged....



And Below is a suggestion for further progress.

★Ect
1]
if bot is ignoring nodes too long time (doing nothing or stuck somewhere too long time),
stop and start again or move and start or tp back to town and restart the instance

2]
Eventually We need Profile or option for to clear more than one area.

For instance. If I want to farm Tabula rasa with low level character

If I select the tidal island and start the bot,
It'll clears coast and get into tidal and clear there too and portal back to town and repeat that.

If there is option I can select at least more than one area in order it'll be much helpful.
and you can also select the area to clear or not.

So I select
[1]Mud flat ([1-1]don't clear) and
[2]Coast ([2-1]don't clear) and
[3]Tidal
([3-1]clear and [3-2]Don't use portal to go back to town
[3-3]go out to Coast [3-4]make new instances and get into Tidal [3-5]Repeat this)

I think Profile option or more complicated area menu needed for this...
 
Yesterday I tried to bot another POE bot (beta and free) at the same time with Exilebuddy Using the same system.
(Cloned Vmware Windows (which is installed fresh) with .Net 4.0 and VC 2012 x86)

(So the only conditions I can't change was HDD loading speed and Internet connection speed.)

An account botted with Exilebuddy got flagged within an hour.
And the other bot had no problem getting currency doing 20 hours non-stop botting.
(the other bot even had to log-out every 10 minutes since it doesn't support using portal scroll in free version. Not even banned and flagged.)

Yeah, The other bot is inferior to Exilebuddy in almost every way.
But It doesn't get me (and some other players) flagged.

Considering the differences of two bots and a lot of Exilebuddy users (I assume) never experience problems like getting flagged,
I think the prime suspect is trying to make a instance getting into other areas or town from
1] the town or 2] other areas or 3] way point in areas.

I can't think of anything that's Involved with loading speed and slow connection
(Which is the only conditions I can't change) but the procedure of making instance as the trigger.

Please give some attention to this thread and fix that so I can give it a try.
 
Question..How can you tell that you're account has been flagged?I realised my bank account was flagged once I traded some bags with my other accounts,and all 3 that I traded with,were banned the next day..So how do you know you got flagged?
 
Glad to see your experience. I actually have the same problem as you do, and we somehow came to the same conclusion.

I got tons of accounts flagged or banned. So I tried to watch the bot leveling (just quest, never farm, change areas manually), and some accounts were flagged before 20, my best record is leveling straight to 46 and then got flagged (I send GGG email for this account, and they said nothing wrong with my account, but after their reply I got currency immediately).

There maybe not just one factor alone to get you flagged, but I do doubt it's something related to the functions like creating new instance, death handling, I had some accounts flagged right after a death and the bot will create a new instance then go back.

I also have the other bot you mentioned, but never try that cause it seems rough, I'll give it a shot to compare...
 
Question..How can you tell that you're account has been flagged?I realised my bank account was flagged once I traded some bags with my other accounts,and all 3 that I traded with,were banned the next day..So how do you know you got flagged?
When you cleared a whole map and get no scrolls, you flagged.
 
Question..How can you tell that you're account has been flagged?I realised my bank account was flagged once I traded some bags with my other accounts,and all 3 that I traded with,were banned the next day..So how do you know you got flagged?

Some might say It is just RNG case (Random Number generator; means you're just unlucky).

But with all 8 account getting no currency drops for more than 6 hours botting (even a single scroll)
(But even when your account is flagged very very rarely one or two currency can drops from chest. I don't know why, but it does.)

while my other legit accounts are getting tons of them.

Yeah,, I can tell it's flagged.

If you don't get a single scroll until your inventory got full with rares more than two times, You can tell your account is flagged.
(Even though you can get one or two currency by luck)

And contacting with GGG supprot team I got unflagged most of the accounts once and got tons of them again.

And most of them got flagged again with Exilebuddy.
I'm sure that There's something with the bot to especially get mine (and some users) easily flagged.



thunder, I agree with you. Other bots are so dumb.
It's very sad I can't bot with exile-buddy without these problems.
 
i dont think bot speed is the factor which gets you detected, there are fast players too and also i dont even know if they track your "apm"

i dont think they are "guessing" with the accusations, and this would be pure guessing
overall i dont think you have the right impression, you listed like 3times the same point, which is that the bot is spamming to much input (and i dont think thats the reason we get detected)

the only thing i agree on is the fact that it always kills every monster, so there really is 0remaining in 100/100 runs, which makes even a blind person able to point the bots out....
 
I must agree with you that those are probably not the stand-alone factor getting accounts flagged.

But, I didn't say just one botting-like action might trigger.
I think more than one or two that matches with botting-like actions will do.

Yeah, things listed above are just a theory.

But, I've been very careful botter and will never do anything to get my accounts banned and
actually i didn't get banned not once. All of them just got flagged.

All flagged but not a single ban? Nobody gets this as i know of.
So I can assume that it's quite related to my own individual setting.


So, Your window says the same messages (sending signals this much?)
like this

Attempting to take the waypoint 18013. We are on attempt 1.
Attempting to take the waypoint 18013. We are on attempt 2.
Attempting to take the waypoint 18013. We are on attempt 3.
Taking the waypoint to Lioneye's Watch. We are on atempt: 4.
Taking the waypoint to Lioneye's Watch. We are on atempt: 5.


And have no problem? try to bot mud flats and see if this message shows in the bot window or not.

Since no one mentioned they have the same message,
I think this happens especially a lot to me and probably to a few others.


Even with absolutely fresh Windows, It still occurs..
this must be only the thing only apply to certain botters like me.


So finally narrowed down the prime-suspect factor (slow internet/ping connection and hdd loading)
that will get my accounts flagged Since that was the only condition
differ from other botter's environment i can think of.

And the only thing suspicious is the process making new instance and entering town;

trying to send signal many times in short time before getting into other area or town.
as bot window says; it tries three and four almost every time.


And without beta builds that fixed making new instance process, I will never know.
But developer's too busy to give any interest and not even care to reply a comment.

I got impatient with dev's indifference.

Without dev's support, This bot will never work for me And see what support i got?

No interest, No reply at all.



So, I'm just done with this bot.



I want to get a refund, So please just let me know how to do.
 
Sorry to hear you're having bad experience with the bot.

However, it's in the best interests of everyone that we don't talk about the things we're doing to address the flagging issues, or really respond too much to people who are giving us ideas, we do read them though.

As much as we'd like to reply to every person who makes a thread, if we did, we'd never have time to fix the bot and make it what people expect it to be. So, you don't hear from us not because we don't care, and are ignoring you, but because we do care, and are spending the time on fixing the bot.

Please keep in mind, this is a really time consuming process, that requires a lot of work to try and get everything smoothed out. We're working really hard right now to get EB to a state where the flagging is greatly minimized and it does what people want it do.
 
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