"IP/Hardware-Banned" what to do? Need Info

[Keldorn]

Heya,

after i got bans on my last accounts i decided to stop botting because it wasnt profitable anymore.

In the past i ran several accounts with bots - everytime maximum was 15.
What i did was Gathering and after that was like autoban i did AB.
I sold gold with one account of those.

I think blizzard got me on their blacklist or something, because the time my accounts were alive was like:
at the beginning
-> 2 years - first ban here
-> 6 month - next ban
-> 3 month
-> every month AFTER GT code entered

I restarted my FritzBox Router and i changed the Windows MAC Adress because i think IF they look at it they can see just the MAC that windows gives out (and not the branded MAC)
I seperated all my accounts more and more (first accounts were all in the same guild / RAF-linked gold was sold via GB and so on... and last time all accounts were guildless without RAF an gold was sold via AH...)

A friend of me has the same fate... he gave up months ago.

The question is now - what can i do to start again with 5 accounts or something?

 

[Keldorn]

Do i really have to buy a new machine (HDD, GPU, CPU, RAM)?
Do i have to buy a new FritzBox Router?

 

[mansellboi]

You might have to buy just a new SSD or remove you cd drive, take a stick of ram out/ swith slots and this should change your HWID for the IP resetting your router should give you a new IP every time, just whats my ip in google before and after you reset your router

 

[Keldorn]

Are you sure about the IP stuff? Because the Router itself has a IP too?
And what about HWID... can someone confirm this?

thanks for your answer

 

[Macatho]

Change your MAC-address of your Router either by googling on how to do it or by purchasing a new one

 

[Aion]

First of all, you pretty sure are misleaded by the HWID theorycrafting here!

Your system's HWID, whatever it is, because there are multiple IDs called HWID, is strictly personal data, and its confidential, and because of that if Blizzard would even gather and/or use it against you, aka for identifying all the clients ran on your machine, they will break alot of International and US federal laws.

But, they can and do collect / identify their own property there, aka the World of Warcraft software, ran on the same machine.

So basicly - Every WoW install have unique ID, and when you turn on 5x bots from single WoW install, running obviously on the same computer/IP, they could collect and process that information and action or action not your 5x bots.

Because, there is something called "false positive", and I am pretty sure, Blizzards first task in the list is to reduce these to zero. For them as company, is worse to ban all the bots, if they get tons of false positives with them, instead of leaving the bots on etc.

Having that fact in the mind, its easy to explain why we see alots of auto-bans on gather/instance bots, while the shufflers/legit played accounts are usually left intact.

That identity information, combined to the famous server-side detection/behaviour scripts is doing very good job on Blizzard side.

They successfully are targeting these accounts, which obviously act as bots - farming an instance 24/7, gathering herbs for 5 hours without a minute break etc ... combine them with the identity information + reports on them, and acting them on indeed unknown scheme (Probably the more bots ran on single machine/IP, faster they get autobanned)


I do explain that wall-of-text simply because I do want people to learn it, adopt it, and possibly to avoid it in the future! Because I already got shutted down 3x times on my gatherbots in the last 6 months, all in the same second, while leaving my PP rogues running 12/24!

This seems as way new and improved way for handling with botting, since the most of community here remembers how we could run Gatherbuddy2 in cata: Turn it on in Wednesday after maintanance, and stop it somewhere in the weekend to loot these 150-200 mails full with Whiptail and Elementium Ore and process them to the shufflers!

 

[Keldorn]

Does that really mean several WoW installatations will help?

A fact is that blizzard will ban me faster than before - the accounts do not last some months they just got banned after 1 month so there must be something they CAN see on my machine :U

 

[Keldorn]

I cant install WoW more than 1 time.
Will copy the WoW folder do the trick?

Is a new Windows slso good? From 8 to 8.1

What about Battle.net... i got Diablo 3 and i play that game... can blizzard see that the guy who plays diablo 3 is botting with lets say 5 WOW Accounts bc of same ip?

 

[Aion]

Nah! I used to bot on a US account with 8x wows and 2x Diablo 3s (1x each EU/US) in the past, and noone cared from the Blizzard Representatives.

I lost 2 of the 8 once, when overused the GB2 farm, but the remaining 6 were safe.

 

[plzdontban]

First of all, you pretty sure are misleaded by the HWID theorycrafting here!

Your system's HWID, whatever it is, because there are multiple IDs called HWID, is strictly personal data, and its confidential, and because of that if Blizzard would even gather and/or use it against you, aka for identifying all the clients ran on your machine, they will break alot of International and US federal laws.

But, they can and do collect / identify their own property there, aka the World of Warcraft software, ran on the same machine.

So basicly - Every WoW install have unique ID, and when you turn on 5x bots from single WoW install, running obviously on the same computer/IP, they could collect and process that information and action or action not your 5x bots.

Because, there is something called "false positive", and I am pretty sure, Blizzards first task in the list is to reduce these to zero. For them as company, is worse to ban all the bots, if they get tons of false positives with them, instead of leaving the bots on etc.

Having that fact in the mind, its easy to explain why we see alots of auto-bans on gather/instance bots, while the shufflers/legit played accounts are usually left intact.

That identity information, combined to the famous server-side detection/behaviour scripts is doing very good job on Blizzard side.

They successfully are targeting these accounts, which obviously act as bots - farming an instance 24/7, gathering herbs for 5 hours without a minute break etc ... combine them with the identity information + reports on them, and acting them on indeed unknown scheme (Probably the more bots ran on single machine/IP, faster they get autobanned)


I do explain that wall-of-text simply because I do want people to learn it, adopt it, and possibly to avoid it in the future! Because I already got shutted down 3x times on my gatherbots in the last 6 months, all in the same second, while leaving my PP rogues running 12/24!

This seems as way new and improved way for handling with botting, since the most of community here remembers how we could run Gatherbuddy2 in cata: Turn it on in Wednesday after maintanance, and stop it somewhere in the weekend to loot these 150-200 mails full with Whiptail and Elementium Ore and process them to the shufflers!

Why do people insist on saying stupid things and spreading false information on this forum so much. It's like propaganda from blizzard spies or something. Identifying your machine by it's hwid is not only, not illegal, but TONS of companies do it. Specifically, many fps games are notorious for handing out hardware id bans.

 

[Liferose]

Your system's HWID, whatever it is, because there are multiple IDs called HWID, is strictly personal data, and its confidential, and because of that if Blizzard would even gather and/or use it against you, aka for identifying all the clients ran on your machine, they will break alot of International and US federal laws.

I've never heard there were multiple HWID's. I was aware it was a single ID string somewhat related to your hardware to make sure you weren't duping Microsoft operating systems. I doubt it's strictly illegal to get this because it changes very often and would have to be just as illegal as gathering hardware info. The WoW install stuff is completely bogus as well, and if you're paranoid about it copy/paste the WoW directory, uninstall, run installer again, pause it then paste the data folder back and let the launcher jump from 0% to done in a couple seconds. Bam you magically have 2 installer certified WoW installs. If you're even more paranoid about hardware id's you can use a virtual machine but the performance is going to be crap.

 

[Macatho]

First of all, you pretty sure are misleaded by the HWID theorycrafting here!

Your system's HWID, whatever it is, because there are multiple IDs called HWID, is strictly personal data, and its confidential, and because of that if Blizzard would even gather and/or use it against you, aka for identifying all the clients ran on your machine, they will break alot of International and US federal laws.

But, they can and do collect / identify their own property there, aka the World of Warcraft software, ran on the same machine.

So basicly - Every WoW install have unique ID, and when you turn on 5x bots from single WoW install, running obviously on the same computer/IP, they could collect and process that information and action or action not your 5x bots.

Because, there is something called "false positive", and I am pretty sure, Blizzards first task in the list is to reduce these to zero. For them as company, is worse to ban all the bots, if they get tons of false positives with them, instead of leaving the bots on etc.

Having that fact in the mind, its easy to explain why we see alots of auto-bans on gather/instance bots, while the shufflers/legit played accounts are usually left intact.

That identity information, combined to the famous server-side detection/behaviour scripts is doing very good job on Blizzard side.

They successfully are targeting these accounts, which obviously act as bots - farming an instance 24/7, gathering herbs for 5 hours without a minute break etc ... combine them with the identity information + reports on them, and acting them on indeed unknown scheme (Probably the more bots ran on single machine/IP, faster they get autobanned)


I do explain that wall-of-text simply because I do want people to learn it, adopt it, and possibly to avoid it in the future! Because I already got shutted down 3x times on my gatherbots in the last 6 months, all in the same second, while leaving my PP rogues running 12/24!

This seems as way new and improved way for handling with botting, since the most of community here remembers how we could run Gatherbuddy2 in cata: Turn it on in Wednesday after maintanance, and stop it somewhere in the weekend to loot these 150-200 mails full with Whiptail and Elementium Ore and process them to the shufflers!

Tbh I'm not sure that its illegal to retrieve your HWID, is it in their TOS/EULA/Terms? I havent read them in awhile so I dont know. But a ton of programs authenticate their software using HWID to a database on their server.
But yeah, maybe I should start using different WoW-installs.

question: Will copypasting the wow-folder be enough to generate a new wow-id?

 

[Keldorn]

Thats what i would like to know too

 

[Aion]

Why do people insist on saying stupid things and spreading false information on this forum so much. It's like propaganda from blizzard spies or something. Identifying your machine by it's hwid is not only, not illegal, but TONS of companies do it. Specifically, many fps games are notorious for handing out hardware id bans.

And the proof is?

I've never heard there were multiple HWID's. I was aware it was a single ID string somewhat related to your hardware to make sure you weren't duping Microsoft operating systems. I doubt it's strictly illegal to get this because it changes very often and would have to be just as illegal as gathering hardware info. The WoW install stuff is completely bogus as well, and if you're paranoid about it copy/paste the WoW directory, uninstall, run installer again, pause it then paste the data folder back and let the launcher jump from 0% to done in a couple seconds. Bam you magically have 2 installer certified WoW installs. If you're even more paranoid about hardware id's you can use a virtual machine but the performance is going to be crap.

I pretty much meant, there are several IDs related to recognizing your machine over the Internet, labeled often as HWID, just like the Windows GUID you are already mentioning. Some software use only the system harddisk ID as HWID milestone for identifying, other are using the OS's network interface ID, well known as MAC Address.

But the point is, Blizzard do not need any off the third-party stuff above, when they are licensed to run a standalone software over the Windows platform with its full power, so could simply use unique ID for every WoW installation, and link all the accounts, played (or botted) from it, if they need to, of course!

 

[webhond]

Why do people insist on saying stupid things and spreading false information on this forum so much. It's like propaganda from blizzard spies or something. Identifying your machine by it's hwid is not only, not illegal, but TONS of companies do it. Specifically, many fps games are notorious for handing out hardware id bans.

this ^^

all that mumbo jumbo about legal and illegal shit.

They can do what they want, scan / ban and what not. If you dont like it, dont play their game.

Since they dont need a reason to ban you, you will never know how they did it.

 

[Aion]

this ^^

all that mumbo jumbo about legal and illegal shit.

They can do what they want, scan / ban and what not. If you dont like it, dont play their game.

Since they dont need a reason to ban you, you will never know how they did it.

You are d*mn right, indeed. But the practice is different.

They very rarely ban accounts for no-reason, or weird reason, simply because their job is to support the customers, not to ban them for nothing!

Generally, Blizzard are not emo-kids, banning everyone for no-reason, but I am pretty sure they are more mature than most of us (Including me of course )

And I am glad for that! They still maintain 10 years-old game in a pretty good way, and have earned our admiration for that!

It is obvious to everyone, if WoW is not healty enough, our lovely Honorbuddy will have no ground anymore.

 

[webhond]

The practice is far from different.

If the communtity complains, aka a report. They need a few (* i think ) to investigate.

They know if you are botting / playing the ah / or buying gold on the spot. I dont believe that
they are so stupid that they cant see it.

If the community complains a lot / aka forum flooding. The result will be a banwave.

Blizzard knows your botting, be sure. They jut dont care as long as no one reports you.
Or in other words they wont invest in resources to find you on their own.

In all honesty and with all respect to the script kiddies here, you really think they can make a game like this
but cant erase a bot that has been made in some basement?

We support wow, in some way and as long as there are zero to no complains they let us live alongside the normal ones.

You think its chance that from 8 on 40 man bg's are 99 % the random one? c'mon.

Click to move, same path all over, using port in bg's on open keep. And so many more. It would be so easy
to script that and weed out 99 % of the botters.

Hb is nice, but not that good. Blizzard allows it. Removes auto follow in bg to irredicate others, but not HB.

We are accepted, and if they stop us. Some other wil pop up. But without the bots economy's will go to hell and
loads more will leave the game then will leave cause there are bots, cause face it. Wow players are lazy as *** !