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Do Blizzard ban pre-banned accounts if a 2nd account is caught botting?

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So I've scurried the forums for an answer to my question. Most threads are either too old for current information or lacking the answers I seek.

I was banned on my main account in the late Jan early Feb ban-wave. I accept the ban, simple. However my question being, I've now made a 2nd account. If I bot on this 2nd account, and in the crappy circumstances it is banned, will my MAIN account also have punishments taken on it?

I'm happy to keep buying new 2nd accounts, for farming and doing derpy crap. I just wish to keep my main account alive. I'm NEVER botting that account again.

Clear this up for me please lads :)
 
I'd like to bot on the 2nd account. So don't do it? I will see actions taken on my main account if my 2nd account is caught?
 
Hi,

First, when you say Account, do you mean [Battle Net] 'Account' or 'License'?

This is my setup:

  1. Account 1 (BN1) Max Licenses (BN1.1 ~ 8)
  2. Account 2 (BN2) - 2 Licenses (BN2.1 ~ 2)
  3. Max, I ran 3 bots (but mostly only 1 or 2 bots) concurrently

My experience (2 years botting, approx 4-5 million gold earned):

In the past, I have been suspended (bot active) on BN1.3 (GatherBuddy2) whilst live botting on BN1.1 and BN1.x and both BN1.1 and BN1.x never received a suspension at the time. I was literally amazed that my main (BN1.1) was still alive, and further BN1.x weren't 'checked' by the GM/Blizz rep at the time. Crazy, but it did make me believe that when Action occurs, it is the License that is investigated. This was a while ago however. About 12 months later, BN1.1 was gathering heavy through 2014-2015 and I didn't care. That's when I received a 72hr Suspension. By now, my account had received 2 suspensions (2 Licenses, 1 suspension each -both 72 hrs). A year later, BN1.1 is caught in the March '15 suspension wave for 6 months and then again in December '15 -the latter being an 18 month suspension. Again, my BN1 was totally safe and all Licenses still available.

I no longer bot, and do not advocate it for personal gain.

TLDR - If you're doing it on a smaller scale (personal use, 1 License at a time) you should be able to consider that your actions will jeapardise only your botted License rather than your Account. Unless you're botting 'many' Licenses concurrently, we can expect 'License' suspensions rather banning Account bans. A lot of people have reported losing xx Licenses, but in those cases I'm sure we'll agree that they were botting for profit and Account losses are a loss leader -part of the business model.
Just my experience, hope it helps and best of luck but keep your Main safe my friend! :cool::)

PS,
Blizzard have openly iterated on their stance against botting, advocating suspensions rather than bans; it's an incentive (an engagement?) to encourage offenders back into the 'game' rather than to return to the 'botting the game'.

Quote:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20043676375?page=2#24

CM Lore said:
So, here's the thing.

Through various studies (conducted both here at Blizzard and by other companies/groups), and by monitoring player behavior, we've discovered that suspensions are actually more effective than permabans for preventing repeat offenses by the same people.

There's some really interesting sociological hocus pocus behind it, but from what I understand, the TLDR is that if a botter gets permabanned, they'll often just buy a new account and go right back to botting. However, if we only suspend them -- meaning, they'll get their account back later -- they're less likely to buy a new one. Furthermore, once they do get their account back, they're EXTREMELY unlikely to bot again.

I'm not a psychology expert, but there's something about "I'll get this account back later" that leads more of these sorts of people to give up their botting ways than if their accounts had been permanently closed. It's kind of fascinating (at least I find it to be).
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EDIT: if you want to trade Gold then use a Guild Bank -create your own Guild Bank(s) and use it as a way to pool your Gold; in the event of a Suspension your Guild Bank gold will not be conviscated but all Gold in your personal possession will be toast! So, use Guild Bank(s) for both safe storage and trading gold between alts.
 
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they are taking actions only on the involved game license,not to the rest game licences even if they are under the same Bnet
 
I bot on same Ip same Pc where is my main account , never get banned just don t interact with bots account like trade golds or something . . .
 
thatwouldbestealing said:
Hi,

First, when you say Account, do you mean [Battle Net] 'Account' or 'License'?

This is my setup:

  1. Account 1 (BN1) Max Licenses (BN1.1 ~ 8)
  2. Account 2 (BN2) - 2 Licenses (BN2.1 ~ 2)
  3. Max, I ran 3 bots (but mostly only 1 or 2 bots) concurrently

My experience (2 years botting, approx 4-5 million gold earned):

In the past, I have been suspended (bot active) on BN1.3 (GatherBuddy2) whilst live botting on BN1.1 and BN1.x and both BN1.1 and BN1.x never received a suspension at the time. I was literally amazed that my main (BN1.1) was still alive, and further BN1.x weren't 'checked' by the GM/Blizz rep at the time. Crazy, but it did make me believe that when Action occurs, it is the License that is investigated. This was a while ago however. About 12 months later, BN1.1 was gathering heavy through 2014-2015 and I didn't care. That's when I received a 72hr Suspension. By now, my account had received 2 suspensions (2 Licenses, 1 suspension each -both 72 hrs). A year later, BN1.1 is caught in the March '15 suspension wave for 6 months and then again in December '15 -the latter being an 18 month suspension. Again, my BN1 was totally safe and all Licenses still available.

I no longer bot, and do not advocate it for personal gain.

TLDR - If you're doing it on a smaller scale (personal use, 1 License at a time) you should be able to consider that your actions will jeapardise only your botted License rather than your Account. Unless you're botting 'many' Licenses concurrently, we can expect 'License' suspensions rather banning Account bans. A lot of people have reported losing xx Licenses, but in those cases I'm sure we'll agree that they were botting for profit and Account losses are a loss leader -part of the business model.
Just my experience, hope it helps and best of luck but keep your Main safe my friend! :cool::)

PS,
Blizzard have openly iterated on their stance against botting, advocating suspensions rather than bans; it's an incentive (an engagement?) to encourage offenders back into the 'game' rather than to return to the 'botting the game'.

Quote:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20043676375?page=2#24



EDIT: if you want to trade Gold then use a Guild Bank -create your own Guild Bank(s) and use it as a way to pool your Gold; in the event of a Suspension your Guild Bank gold will not be conviscated but all Gold in your personal possession will be toast! So, use Guild Bank(s) for both safe storage and trading gold between alts.
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Great in depth reply. Good answer.

To answer your 1st question, I have TWO separate Bnet accounts. 1 is my main account, 2 is my 2nd account I just bought up to WoD.

So, reading this, I SHOULD be able to bot my 2nd account, and if I'm caught, see no action on my main account? Even if they are under the same IP and HWID information?

I'm a little baffled as how to change these and would rather avoid it.
 
HelloImHere said:
Great in depth reply. Good answer.

To answer your 1st question, I have TWO separate Bnet accounts. 1 is my main account, 2 is my 2nd account I just bought up to WoD.

So, reading this, I SHOULD be able to bot my 2nd account, and if I'm caught, see no action on my main account? Even if they are under the same IP and HWID information?

I'm a little baffled as how to change these and would rather avoid it.
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short answer yes.

a bit longer answer is still yes, but make sure you don't mail anything from bot to main, that you don't trade anything from bot to main and that you don't use the ah for this. as mentioned previously, just create a guild and use the guild bank for the transfer.

I also advise you not to use both accounts at the same time (more importantly, don't use your main account and run the bot at the same time, even if it's not injected to your main account).
 
Really, I can go hamnutburger on as many accounts as I like, I usually only bot up new classes to 100, and not see any effect to my main? For 10-20 bucks, seems like an okay deal.
 
Thanks guys. Time to bot....again. Sure hope this helps other people out in regards to how Blizzard ban accounts.
 
happyfriet said:
Sadly from my experience, this hasn't always been the case :(
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It hasn't for me, either.

We should always make a clear distinction on our botting patterns. What applies to small-size botters, or casual botters if you prefer the term, is vastly different to what is relevant for multibotters.

Anyway, even if it is just 1 chance out of 100 that accounts under the same bnet are investigated (which I've always thought, why wouldn't they? is not like that info is hard to find for them, is it?) it takes 10 minutes creating a new email and setting a new bnet. Laziness is the only possible explanation, and that is no good for your business, for any business actually.
 
I really cant see how its NOT the case..

I have had discussions with GMs.. even after the fact the I have admitted botting on an account- and transferring gold to another account..

The GM him self- said we will only take action on the licence committing the offence.. With the exception of gold selling
 
Thecamel said:
I have had discussions with GMs.. even after the fact the I have admitted botting on an account- and transferring gold to another account..

The GM him self- said we will only take action on the license committing the offense.. With the exception of gold selling
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I would refrain from believing what Gms, or customer support, can tell us.

First, they will tell you what they are told to say, which doesn't necessarily has to be the truth.

Second, they might not have complete knowledge of banning patterns, which is very likely. And they've talked crap in the past, they like chatting even when they don't know what they are talking about. There are plenty of examples of that, for almost everybody that has been botting for a while. Probably you, too, have had this sort of experience.

Third, and most importantly in my opinion, WHY wouldn't they use this info, that is free, easy to access and super efficient, resource wise? It's like saying, I can go to the supermarket on my block, but I prefer to go to the one a hundred miles away, and spend 2 $ in gas, to buy exactly the same magazine. Does it make any sense?
 
pimpampum said:
It hasn't for me, either.

We should always make a clear distinction on our botting patterns. What applies to small-size botters, or casual botters if you prefer the term, is vastly different to what is relevant for multibotters.

Anyway, even if it is just 1 chance out of 100 that accounts under the same bnet are investigated (which I've always thought, why wouldn't they? is not like that info is hard to find for them, is it?) it takes 10 minutes creating a new email and setting a new bnet. Laziness is the only possible explanation, and that is no good for your business, for any business actually.
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My accounts are under two separate B.Net accounts.

I was just worried that the same IP and HWID would flag my main if my 2nd account is caught.
 
Thecamel said:
I really cant see how its NOT the case..

I have had discussions with GMs.. even after the fact the I have admitted botting on an account- and transferring gold to another account..

The GM him self- said we will only take action on the licence committing the offence.. With the exception of gold selling
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Exactly the same experience. Although they will clean off a bnet if it gets a bit too out of control.

Gold Selling has always been "the" or a hot issue with blizzard. They really don't care if you bot for personal use as long as you don't break or hurt the environment too much (Bgbuddy or controlling the AH), but as soon as you start moving a lot of gold or they think you're gold selling, they will clean off every account they can find/link.
 
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