Considering a "super system" - Need advice

[Xenetron]

Hey guys

I'm looking to setup alot of bots, got a few questions if anyone with experience can help out. First: What's the maximum amount of diablo 3 instances you can successfully run on a computer? I am looking at about 16, with a standard decent computer (i5, GTX 660, etc) - Is this possible or too much?

Second: What sort of GPH do people who bot for gold obtain? Is 1mil an hour feasable? with the new act 1, etc

 

[Napoleon]

i5 gtx 660? super system? misleading title?

 

[ezpwnd]

16 bots on one machine not possible
1m gph not possible

10-12 efficient bots with ~600k gph if you buy a core i7 cpu.

 

[Xenetron]

16 bots on one machine not possible
1m gph not possible

10-12 efficient bots with ~600k gph if you buy a core i7 cpu.

Wow that kind of blows, and sorry, meant super system in that i plan on having 5-6 computers run as many as possible each. What processor is that? I7 3930k?

 

[IGG]

Wow that kind of blows, and sorry, meant super system in that i plan on having 5-6 computers run as many as possible each. What processor is that? I7 3930k?

Pls read and learn smth. about computer hardware before you waste a lot of money

 

[Xenetron]

Pls read and learn smth. about computer hardware before you waste a lot of money

That's what I'm doing atm

I have an i5-2500k and GTX 580 on my main system with SSD etc, it can run 4 d3's, i'm wondering what the "limits" are as I haven't tried to push them yet, so any information is appreciated

 

[psilocybin]

Hey guys

I'm looking to setup alot of bots, got a few questions if anyone with experience can help out. First: What's the maximum amount of diablo 3 instances you can successfully run on a computer? I am looking at about 16, with a standard decent computer (i5, GTX 660, etc) - Is this possible or too much?

Second: What sort of GPH do people who bot for gold obtain? Is 1mil an hour feasable? with the new act 1, etc

don't waste your money,man. honestly there's no profit in diablo 3 anymore and a banwave's due very soon so there's a good chance u'll get banned before you break even.

 

[IGG]

i7 2600k and 3770k, oc'ed to 4.3-4.5 are the botter's choice. It has HT, which means 2x cph threads and 2x processor time for game clients and bots.

 

[ezpwnd]

I don't want to be too pessimistic, but I honestly think buying in now would be a big mistake.

One computer that can run 10-12 Instances (core i7, 560gtx+ 2gb vram, at least 16gb ddr3) will set you back 900-1000?. Add another few hundred bucks for the DB-licences and the diablo keys. So I would at least calculate with 1100?-1200? for a full machine that is producing.

With good running plvl100 bots this machine can make you 300? a month. So it would take you at least 4 months to break even. Notice that this estimation isn't even considering price of electricity, further income fluctuation because of lower gold prices and last but not least possible bannings. In my opinion if you are lucky you will need 6+ months to break even with your setup. Also you will need quite some learning time to get everything running smoothly. Plus: please don't think this will be free money. It's quite some work to get everything running correctly and maintained.

 

[ad3ddd]

16 bots on one machine not possible
1m gph not possible

10-12 efficient bots with ~600k gph if you buy a core i7 cpu.

16 bots on i7 3770k or any one of the 6 core i7s is more than possible, my pal runs 20 on 3930K OCed to 4.6. CPU is the only hard bottleneck, because you can use two GPUs, (separately, in non-crossfire or SLI mode, with a dummy plug) and be fine. For 16 instances you will need above 16 GB of memory, of course.

 

[Mookruiz]

do it, then come back in November 2014 to tell us you've broken even

 

[pimpampum]

16 bots on i7 3700k efficiently? You mean, with 15 tps and 15 fps? Not really man, unless you want to oc your comp beyond standards. Some people can do that, but it is out of the reach for us common mortals , and obviously from the OP reach as he is actually trying to get some info on cpus.

And its about time people give up speculating about systems. NO, THE FACT THAT YOU CAN RUN 10 BOTS ON 50% CPU DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN RUN 20. CPU USAGE INCREMENT IS NOT CONTINUOUS AT ALL.

Now someone will go, get 16 bots working on their i7 3770k with 10 fps and 10 tps and oc to 4.6, with 100 cpu usage, and will tell me it is possible. Yeah, but not efficient.

 

[newb420]

No reason to try to bot this game for monthly income anymore unless you were already up and running and have nothing to lose, you've came about a year too late. There were mass profit margins from botting when the game first started but after 6 months of everyone flooding the economy it would just be wise to stay away from d3 all together game is fucking garbage LOL.

 

[ad3ddd]

3770K has to be delidded to change the TIM inside and it won't get so hot any more, which actually will enable you to overclock it and use its full potential. It is not merely as hard to do as it sounds, but you do need a pretty good cooler, tho. The highest grade air cooler, or a very good liquid cooler, that is. I am going to build such a system pretty soon and will get back with actual data. All i've seen of Intel and botting is my pal's 3990K, which honestly is insane, but it is 6 core. I reckon it would run more than 20 (like 24 o 26)on its own, but that'd make the PC unusable (dedicated). Pretty sure there is something most ppl around here miss, tho, settings-wise i mean. I'd bet a lot of money on properly built 3770K system being able to run 16 bots; i've already ordered almost all parts, precisely because i think it'd run even more

to: pimpampum
that is 22 tps, no more, no less. as soon as i've built that system i'd let you know. it will be efficient, because cpu usage does not scale as much as you'd think on Intel cpus. The 3930K runs 20 and it goes as low as 35-40 and as high as 80(this is not speculation, i've seen it with my own eyes, too bad i haven't tried the 3770K yet. i hope it arrives soon so i can try it, lol)

 

[falconpewpew]

i think they can run 16 with mythical render disabler plugin

 

[pimpampum]

3770K has to be delidded to change the TIM inside and it won't get so hot any more, which actually will enable you to overclock it and use its full potential. It is not merely as hard to do as it sounds, but you do need a pretty good cooler, tho. The highest grade air cooler, or a very good liquid cooler, that is. I am going to build such a system pretty soon and will get back with actual data. All i've seen of Intel and botting is my pal's 3990K, which honestly is insane, but it is 6 core. I reckon it would run more than 20 (like 24 o 26)on its own, but that'd make the PC unusable (dedicated). Pretty sure there is something most ppl around here miss, tho, settings-wise i mean. I'd bet a lot of money on properly built 3770K system being able to run 16 bots; i've already ordered almost all parts, precisely because i think it'd run even more

to: pimpampum
that is 22 tps, no more, no less. as soon as i've built that system i'd let you know. it will be efficient, because cpu usage does not scale as much as you'd think on Intel cpus. The 3930K runs 20 and it goes as low as 35-40 and as high as 80.

Yeah please keep me informed. Anyway, just reading the 1 sentence of your post sets you in a different tech level than I am, I just don't know what a TIM is, or delidding either. I am limited to standard OC's due to my non existant knowledge of it, and the fact that I already burnt 1 desktop and 1 laptop out.

EDIT: About cpu usage....I do have an i7 3770k, with an above average GPU and 24 ram. I can run 10 bots and it will rarely go past 50% , never past 60%. 12 bots is continuous 80%, spiking to 100% sometimes. And it is not a graphic issue , the gtx 680 could run 20 bots on its own just fine. I hope you can find a better way to setup the comp, and we'll all take good note of your advices!

 

[ad3ddd]

Yeah please keep me informed. Anyway, just reading the 1 sentence of your post sets you in a different tech level than I am, I just don't know what a TIM is, or delidding either. I am limited to standard OC's due to my non existant knowledge of it, and the fact that I already burnt 1 desktop and 1 laptop out.

EDIT: About cpu usage....I do have an i7 3770k, with an above average GPU and 24 ram. I can run 10 bots and it will rarely go past 50% , never past 60%. 12 bots is continuous 80%, spiking to 100% sometimes. And it is not a graphic issue , the gtx 680 could run 20 bots on its own just fine. I hope you can find a better way to setup the comp, and we'll all take good note of your advices!

TIM means Thermal Interface Material and is another name for the thermal compound(most commonly paste) that is used to connect most things that are attached to a cooler. For example it is between the cpu's top cover and the heatsink and between the GPU's and its radiator(heatsink). Consider this: the processor itself consists of a core, also called die, PCB (circuit board) and a cover, also called IHS(integrated heat spreader). The actual important thing is the die, that is shielded by the IHS, which also spreads heat. Just like you put TIM between the IHS and the lower end of the cooler's heastink, there is a factory-put TIM between the die and the IHS. This TIM, however, is cheap and unreliable.. for whatever reason, Intel puts it in all Ivy Bridge CPUs and this causes them to produce extreme amounts of heat, when OCed to more than 4.5/6/7 GHZ. If you change that TIM to something better, you might get your chip about ~20C cooler at 4.7, provided you also own a good cooler and your case has a lot of fans, which produce a good airflow. We are talking a stable OC to 4.7 or 4.8, without any danger of overhearing and damaging the CPU. I suppose this will be the way to actually run 16 on 3770K. 400 or so mhz more for each of 4 cores with 4 threads is quite a lot; the entirely wrong, but helpful to imagine things calculation states:
(4+4)x400 = 3200 mhz

Here is a picture and a topic explaining the procedure. IHS is to the left, PCB with the die in the middle of it is to the right.

Now, the CPU usage you mentioned scales wrongly, at least in my humble opinion. I suspect there must be something wrong. 10 instances to about 50% sounds normal, but adding just two more should not put that much of a load on your CPU, bro. I don't know exactly what might be wrong, for all i know it might just be normal. I am dieing to try it on my own, tho

 

[pimpampum]

TIM means Thermal Interface Material and is another name for the thermal compound(most commonly paste) that is used to connect most things that are attached to a cooler. For example it is between the cpu's top cover and the heatsink and between the GPU's and its radiator(heatsink). Consider this: the processor itself consists of a core, also called die, PCB (circuit board) and a cover, also called IHS(integrated heat spreader). The actual important thing is the die, that is shielded by the IHS, which also spreads heat. Just like you put TIM between the IHS and the lower end of the cooler's heastink, there is a factory-put TIM between the die and the IHS. This TIM, however, is cheap and unreliable.. for whatever reason, Intel puts it in all Ivy Bridge CPUs and this causes them to produce extreme amounts of heat, when OCed to more than 4.5/6/7 GHZ. If you change that TIM to something better, you might get your chip about ~20C cooler at 4.7, provided you also own a good cooler and your case has a lot of fans, which produce a good airflow. We are talking a stable OC to 4.7 or 4.8, without any danger of overhearing and damaging the CPU. I suppose this will be the way to actually run 16 on 3770K. 400 or so mhz more for each of 4 cores with 4 threads is quite a lot; the entirely wrong, but helpful to imagine things calculation states:
(4+4)x400 = 3200 mhz

Mmm I think I watched a youtube video explaining how to remove the IHS and it indeed allowed for a way stronger OC. That's not something I would do myself though, it looked like kind of tricky.

Found it. Fixing Ivy Bridge CPU temps: IHS removal - YouTube

 

[ezpwnd]

16 bots on i7 3770k or any one of the 6 core i7s is more than possible, my pal runs 20 on 3930K OCed to 4.6. CPU is the only hard bottleneck, because you can use two GPUs, (separately, in non-crossfire or SLI mode, with a dummy plug) and be fine. For 16 instances you will need above 16 GB of memory, of course.

If you are talking about 16 good producing bots, that is inferno item farming, on a overclocked 3770k please post pictures or I am going to call bullshit on this.

/e: ok i just saw you were talking about running 26 on a 3990k so you must be trolling.

don't get me wrong, I don't want to trash what you said but I honestly can't believe it as we've had this discussion quite some times now and I've talked to some dedicated people who all were running 12 max on their i7 rigs for good producing stuff. I just don't think you have found some sort of holy grail that would push efficiency by 50%.

 

[HansDieter1]

don't waste your money,man. honestly there's no profit in diablo 3 anymore and a banwave's due very soon so there's a good chance u'll get banned before you break even.

i bet he will never break even considering the costs for pc and electricity and the steady decline in profits...
with the last ban wave in december i would not even buy additional d3 copies.