Can an account that has never botted get banned if my bot gets banned?

[Cenderone]

Hello everyone, I've been botting WoW for a year or so, and I've been botting other games for long before that. I've never been banned, but I am not too worried about getting banned, because my accounts are fully botted. However, my Bro just moved back from school and now plays at my house. If I were to get banned, would there be a chance that he would get banned? I'm running wireless and he is wired and we are both running off of the same router. Should i hide my ip? would that help? Thanks.

 

[kwhalek]

If he benefits somehow from your botting accounts, yes otherwise no he will not get banned

 

[Honeybunny]

hi

only a account who is botting can be banned by an gamemaster. you can sell all things that you have botted with your secound account witz your main account and your main account will not be banned.

 

[HB3717X64]

As long as account A has not benefitted from the activities of account B, account A cannot get banned just because account B being banned. To the best of my knowledge. If you were to transfer 1m gold from B to A, the case may be quite different.

 

[standza]

Well I not agreed whit of all you. If he botting from that IP and they close his bott acc ( still not banned) is very high percentage that it will close account his brother in that moment.

But they still not permanently baned.

 

[wownerds]

Blizz can ban whoever they want for whatever reason they want.

 

[standza]

lol, doesn't change the fact that it's based on MAC addresses.

I know a lot of isue that was using same V P N and get baned. HB is undetectable and ban is their personal decision after investigate account. How they investigate? Don't be stupid people! They watch your gear, achivment points, compare whit ingame time. How you can play this 3 month and you don't have any heroic 85 lvl raid? All players have!

 

[wownerds]

HB is undetectable

undetected != undetectable!

 

[webhond]

ofcourse they can ban you , even if you didnt bot on that account.

they never know for sure if you botted. They only guess, if it looks suspicious / ban.

if they knew for sure, it was like, punk... ur using hb... gtfo.

so why wont they ban every account linked to same ip or bnet then, even if you never botted on it.

 

[lathrodectus]

Well I not agreed whit of all you. If he botting from that IP and they close his bott acc ( still not banned) is very high percentage that it will close account his brother in that moment.

But they still not permanently baned.

Bizzard bans accounts based on MAC addresses, not IP's. If not, everyone in an internet cafe would get banned if a single person got banned. Two computers on the same router will have different MAC addresses assigned by the local network, but have the same IP.

I think OPs question is not on whether if blizz "can" ban that account, but rather if they are doing it practicly.
To my experience on the very same PC where there are multiple bots running, a non botting account (thus same MAC&IP) is never banned.
I bot on my account too, just level new toons, I have leveled 14 toons with HB on my main acc. I usually do not moderate my main acc while questing, sometimes goes on for days.
I also bot on the very same PC, usually 12-14 farmer bots at the same time. I got many mass-bans, never got a suspension on my main.

That if the main account benefits thing is a rare occasion, only possible if the account in question is investigated deeply.
Many bons are the result of an automated system, although later on the same talk she denied that, I got this confirmed from customer support.

At worst you'll end up with a 24-72h suspension at your first penalty.

Ofc these are all based my own experience.

 

[Croga]

Bizzard bans accounts based on MAC addresses, not IP's. If not, everyone in an internet cafe would get banned if a single person got banned. Two computers on the same router will have different MAC addresses assigned by the local network, but have the same IP.

Biggest crap I've ever heard.....
If they ban based on MAC then everyone in an internet caf? will still get banned since the MAC address shown to the outside world is that of the router, not of the PC.
And even if it was of the PC, multiple people will have used the same PC in an internet caf? so MAC or IP won't make any difference.

Bottom line is:
Bliz can ban anyone and everyone they damn well please. If they can find any kind of connection between the botted account and the non-botted account, they will seriously investigate and in a lot of cases ban them both.

 

[tanro]

Bizzard bans accounts based on MAC addresses, not IP's. If not, everyone in an internet cafe would get banned if a single person got banned. Two computers on the same router will have different MAC addresses assigned by the local network, but have the same IP.

Mac addresses are assigned at the factory where the network inferface adapter/card is made, not by the local network. You can't hide your mac address, you can't spoof it.

Now, there is such a thing as internal and external IP addresses.

 

[Croga]

Mac addresses are assigned at the factory where the network inferface adapter/card is made, not by the local network. You can't hide your mac address, you can't spoof it.
Now, there is such a thing as internal and external IP addresses.

There is also such a thing as an external and internal MAC address.
The MAC address of your router is the MAC address associated to your internet traffic. Your internal MAC address is only available in your NAT information.
Also as said; MAC addresses are easy to change. Your router usually has an option to clone your PCs MAC to enable MAC filtering by your ISP. There's also lots of software that will change the MAC address on your internal NIC to whatever you want it to be.

Simply put: MAC addresses are useless as identifiers. Both because multiple people will have the same MAC on the internet as well as because it's very easy to change your own MAC address (a *LOT* easier than changing your IP)

Croga,
Not sure about where you live, but in the US, net cafe users aren't allowed to install software on the comps, nor do they have wow installed. You must bring your own computer and connect to the hot spot if you wish to install any kind of software and/or play wow or any other game. As such, I'm not quite sure what your point is?

There usually isn't such a thing as "US net caf?s", every internet cafe has their own rules.
It's not unusual for systems in an internet cafe to have games, includid WoW, installed. It's also not unusual for those PCs to have access to USB sticks to be able to edit school documents and whatnot. Which means you can usually run HB from a USB stick on a WOW that's installed on the system.

 

[Croga]

Fairly certain I didn't refer to cafe's as US cafes. I said in the US followed by a comma. BTW, HB is not required to be installed on a comp to run it. As far as IP's are concerned, you have static/dynamic IP's. Static being a semi-permanent IP which you can request your ISP to change, dynamic being only temporary IP which will change each time you connect to the net. In the event you have a static IP, it too is easily altered using a hardware-prooxy or prooxy-website (extra o added because the word is bleeped in post if not altered some way). And as I have already made my point, I'm not going to debate it with you. You are entitled to your "opinion".
Using "prooxies" will usually result in temporary bans to your account for (suspicious behavior), unless the "prooxy" assigns a very similar IP each use.

Static IPs aren't semi-permanent. They are permanent. Your ISP links the IP to your location and useraccount.
Dynamic IPs don't necessarily change each time you log. They have a, so-called, lease time. If you relog within the lease time you will get the same IP. Some ISPs have lease times of seconds, some have lease times of months. In my case I use one static IP and one dynamic. But because my lease time on the dynamic is 30 days, I can regard it, basically, as a static IP.

Using a prooxy will alter your IP but it will also alter your MAC since the MAC of the prooxies external router will be used.
Again; neither IP nor MAC can be used to identify a user or PC; As you state, IP is easily changed for one user and easily the same for multiple users, same goes for MAC addresses.

 

[Croga]

And thus far, everything you have said is a matter of semantics for argument purposes.

Someone argued that Blizz can't ban based on IP but can ban based on MAC. I'm just arguing that there isn't any practical difference, "ban-wise", between the two.

The two have the same value since both are:
- not traceable to a unique person or PC since both can be used by multiple persons and PCs
- A person does not have a unique IP or MAC since a user can easily change both

 

[darkspyre0]

I got my main account banned simply by benefitting from the botted account. I sent ALL my gold to my main account, so when my botted account got banned, so did my main. Sad day. Lesson learned, don't be lazy, use guild bank to transfer!

But as to your question, if your brother isn't receiving gold or items from your botted account, the chances of him being banned if your bot account is banned are slim (in my opinion!).

If you want to be extra paranoid *** services aren't too expensive... i think from $3-8 a month, i don't know since i run my own. (Rent a linux VPS in a non-US country, install open*** on it, done)

 

[Zimpe2]

I got my main account banned simply by benefitting from the botted account. I sent ALL my gold to my main account, so when my botted account got banned, so did my main. Sad day. Lesson learned, don't be lazy, use guild bank to transfer!

But as to your question, if your brother isn't receiving gold or items from your botted account, the chances of him being banned if your bot account is banned are slim (in my opinion!).

If you want to be extra paranoid *** services aren't too expensive... i think from $3-8 a month, i don't know since i run my own. (Rent a linux VPS in a non-US country, install open*** on it, done)

is the risk with a guildbank much lower? because sometimes i trade it face2face to my main.