Botting from same IP, bans

[Nieznany]

Hello,
I got question. Today my 6 WOD accounts were banned, its funny that ban came because my one account that i used more than month ago was banned for gold selling. Firstly I got 72h ban for botting then i sold all gold (only 150k) and never used this account more.
Is this safe now to create new ones or i will get insta IP bans ? Is there any way to prevent IP bans, some VPN ?

 

[hazard]

This type of questing has been asked 1 million times before. You will get the same answer.
Do not bot on accounts you are not willing to loose. HB is a safe as it has always been.

Next time use Search: https://www.thebuddyforum.com/search.php

 

[rubenjrush]

This type of questing has been asked 1 million times before. You will get the same answer.
Do not bot on accounts you are not willing to loose. HB is a safe as it has always been.

Next time use Search: https://www.thebuddyforum.com/search.php

He didn't ask if it was safe to bot, he asked that after being banned if it's safe to create a new WoW account or if it would just get instantly IP banned..

 

[nooblet]

Nope, Blizz don't ban by ip address. They ban by account. I had this confirmed in a GM chat a while ago now.

 

[ryftobuddy]

Because GM's are never wrong... Ask 4 different GM's the same question, you'll probably get 2 different answers. 2 will tell you yes, 2 will tell you no.

There was a thread a couple weeks back about all the information blizz tracks on your account. It's like 400 lines of information and that's not even counting your networking info. If they tie a couple piece of that information together, you could get banned.

The answer to your question is maybe. You may get banned or you may not. Not a single person on these forums or any other forums can give you a definite answer to what you asked.

 

[nooblet]

Except they don't ban by IP

 

[ryftobuddy]

Go check the ban forums. It's pretty obvious that this simply isn't the case.

No matter what some random gm told you

 

[pimpampum]

Except they don't ban by IP

That is just wrong. Under certain specific situations (one we are aware is manual investigation related to gold selling) they actually IP ban all accounts from a certain IP, even non-botting ones.

If you have been lucky enough to never have suffered it, great for you. It hurts.

@OP: As far as general experience goes for those people that has suffered such a "block", Yeah you'll keep receiving superfast bans if you don't change your system.

Changing Ip's is not enough, the ones who reported some sort of success had a complete system wipe with no trace or link at all to past accounts.

 

[Nieznany]

Thank you for all answers. I will try to make new accounts and we will see what happens

 

[DrStrider]

Thank you for all answers. I will try to make new accounts and we will see what happens

or you know just... clone your mac address and force an IP change.

 

[Lmaotsetung]

From my experience as a botter and gold seller, Blizz will IP ban for gold selling but only account/license ban for botting

 

[Aion]

From my experience as a botter and gold seller, Blizz will IP ban for gold selling but only account/license ban for botting

This!

The common Blizzard pattern is the following:

1. When caught/accused for botting, only the accounts, involved in the botting gets the penalty - either Closed or 72 h Suspended for 3rd party usage, with high change for Closed be reverted to 72h Suspension after appeal.

2. When more than 3-4 accounts were caught botting in the same time from single comp (notice - not from single IP, but comp - physical or virtual), an Abuse of Economy auto-ban is triggered on the botting accounts only - But the Closure is final. No chance in appeals. (The common 5 man dungeon leveling bans classify here)

3. When gold-selling, usually the account gets caught by the automatic system only - Only the involved account gets Abuse of Economy - usually within 6-12 hours timewindow. And since you are lucky on this - Never Appeal! Manual investigation could dry your business out!

4. When gold-selling, if manual investigation is triggered for unknown reason - Here is where the so famous Ip Ban is deployed. But it is not actually Ip-related, but Computer or Wow install related.
In this scenario, the ban pattern varies, probably due to the different ban-styles different Game Masters have:
- Clearing the accounts, directly related to the gold-selling one - any guild affiliate with gold-withdraw privileges, etc., with this - successfully disabling the access to the gold, stored in the Guildbank.
- Clearing all the accounts, logging recently from the same system.
- Clearing all the accounts, EVER logged from the system, and/or your IP's subnet, plus automatic bans on all the future accounts, dared to login from these (Even trials) - This is "saved" for Extreme Exploitation bans - These usually happen, when people get caught selling millions of gold in short time-window, or bugs with Blizzard - Like the guy last year, running account services, who made dummy account, named honorbuddy or similar, and started twitching the kicks 1-90 leveling - He received all of the above, including all his former customers, which accounts he had logged from his subnet, while running wow services for them in the past!

 

[IGG]

Aion, thanks for the summary, very good post. Can you please link

I want to add that when GM does the reports\ticket review on your botting account, he can name any reason for the ban (abuse, 3-rd party, I even got exploitation ban (!!!) on botting account), this must be random.

 

[bombastik]

Well they ban by the IP if they investigate further. This happened to me before. I had 2 live accounts 1 banned and appealed. After they made further investigation and rejected the appeal the other 2 alive accounts banned right after rejection e-mail. So yea I am 90% sure but we can't be 100% possitive about any of blizz ban methods.

 

[hazard]

This entire topic is based on speculation. The truth is nobody knows.
Do not bot on accounts you are not willing to loose.

 

[Nieznany]

Thanks Aion for advice! I know now what I should change and I got hope that next month will be better.

 

[Aion]

This entire topic is based on speculation. The truth is nobody knows.
Do not bot on accounts you are not willing to loose.

Hazard,
this is called statistics, not speculation.

Speculation means a theory is present, before it have been proved or not in practice.

 

[hazard]

Hazard,
this is called statistics, not speculation.

I would like to see these Statistics provided by Blizzard and verified by a third party!

Statistics are hard physical facts.
Speculation is total guess work. (That's all this thread is)

 

[Aion]

I would like to see these Statistics provided by Blizzard and verified by a third party!

Statistics are hard physical facts.
Speculation is total guess work. (That's all this thread is)

I have summarized my own statistics, gathered while botting and gold-selling, effectively "dealing" with Blizzard games in the last several years.

I am not affiliate with Blizzard in any way and obviously I have no access to the official Blizzard statistics.

So please, Hazard, refrain from trolling a thread, meant for helping the community out.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Flacito]

This!

The common Blizzard pattern is the following:

1. When caught/accused for botting, only the accounts, involved in the botting gets the penalty - either Closed or 72 h Suspended for 3rd party usage, with high change for Closed be reverted to 72h Suspension after appeal.

2. When more than 3-4 accounts were caught botting in the same time from single comp (notice - not from single IP, but comp - physical or virtual), an Abuse of Economy auto-ban is triggered on the botting accounts only - But the Closure is final. No chance in appeals. (The common 5 man dungeon leveling bans classify here)

3. When gold-selling, usually the account gets caught by the automatic system only - Only the involved account gets Abuse of Economy - usually within 6-12 hours timewindow. And since you are lucky on this - Never Appeal! Manual investigation could dry your business out!

4. When gold-selling, if manual investigation is triggered for unknown reason - Here is where the so famous Ip Ban is deployed. But it is not actually Ip-related, but Computer or Wow install related.
In this scenario, the ban pattern varies, probably due to the different ban-styles different Game Masters have:
- Clearing the accounts, directly related to the gold-selling one - any guild affiliate with gold-withdraw privileges, etc., with this - successfully disabling the access to the gold, stored in the Guildbank.
- Clearing all the accounts, logging recently from the same system.
- Clearing all the accounts, EVER logged from the system, and/or your IP's subnet, plus automatic bans on all the future accounts, dared to login from these (Even trials) - This is "saved" for Extreme Exploitation bans - These usually happen, when people get caught selling millions of gold in short time-window, or bugs with Blizzard - Like the guy last year, running account services, who made dummy account, named honorbuddy or similar, and started twitching the kicks 1-90 leveling - He received all of the above, including all his former customers, which accounts he had logged from his subnet, while running wow services for them in the past!

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