Blizzard scans outside wow.exe

[klagera]

So yeah, after trying to appeal just for laughs (and failing of course), this GM says something very interesting - "I recommend removing any automation programs or third party software from your computer before repurchasing the game", it's so obvious now they scan outside their process, wp.

 

[garoboldy]

This has been known for awhile, especially over on owned elite section. Nothing we can do about it until a company takes them back to court regarding it.

 

[ryftobuddy]

This has been known for awhile, especially over on owned elite section. Nothing we can do about it until a company takes them back to court regarding it.

This right here. If you want to do something about it, prove they are actually doing something illegal in a court of law.

Nothing is obvious in the law's eyes without proof.

 

[Mwayne]

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/legal/wow_tou.html

The ToS you agree to when you first start the game states in section XVI that you give them the right to scan your RAM and CPU processes... This is nothing new and nothing being hidden by WoW. You cannot take them to court for something you agreed to.

 

[gamer427]

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/legal/wow_tou.html

The ToS you agree to when you first start the game states in section XVI that you give them the right to scan your RAM and CPU processes... This is nothing new and nothing being hidden by WoW. You cannot take them to court for something you agreed to.

Blizzard ToS doesn't precede international law. That would never hold up in court.

The real question is, is anyone able to go up against them for this.

 

[Mwayne]

What law states that they cannot do what you agreed to let them do? That's like someone requesting permission to come on your property, you allowing them that, and then trying to sue for trespassing... There's a reason no one has taken this to court...

 

[lumpkinz]

I don't think people understand honorbuddy has always been detectable by blizzard, they just choose when they decide to do a banwave. The company spends multi-millions of dollars for technology and people that work on detecting these sorts of things. They are a successful company that is always about maximizing profits. They just put WoD into the new battle-chest and they allows HB to suck money from you all at the same time it meant them also getting subscriptions from you all and getting how many to pre-order legion? Now the new battle-chest includes all expansions and they will get many of you that aren't very bright to buy it along with a new pre-order to legion. It is hilarious though how many of you who will just pick up and start over because you are people with low intelligence and even in WoD cannot learn how to play an already easy game! Guess what? in Legion it will get easier for you all and many of you will most likely be doing the same thing because you cannot do these things yourself. Have fun all of you. To those who decided to quit wow good riddance, to those who stay and bot I would love to see what you droolers look like, and to those of you who decide to stick around wow and play legit... well good luck and have fun playing a game you pay to play!

 

[killajosh]

Blizzard ToS doesn't precede international law. That would never hold up in court.

The real question is, is anyone able to go up against them for this.

This isn't an international law. EU laws differ from US laws when it comes to stuff like this. For example, a lot of countries have laws that force Blizzard to release proof or evidence of their botting claims. However, the US has no such laws in place.

 

[Mwayne]

I don't think people understand honorbuddy has always been detectable by blizzard, they just choose when they decide to do a banwave. The company spends multi-millions of dollars for technology and people that work on detecting these sorts of things. They are a successful company that is always about maximizing profits. They just put WoD into the new battle-chest and they allows HB to suck money from you all at the same time it meant them also getting subscriptions from you all and getting how many to pre-order legion? Now the new battle-chest includes all expansions and they will get many of you that aren't very bright to buy it along with a new pre-order to legion. It is hilarious though how many of you who will just pick up and start over because you are people with low intelligence and even in WoD cannot learn how to play an already easy game! Guess what? in Legion it will get easier for you all and many of you will most likely be doing the same thing because you cannot do these things yourself. Have fun all of you. To those who decided to quit wow good riddance, to those who stay and bot I would love to see what you droolers look like, and to those of you who decide to stick around wow and play legit... well good luck and have fun playing a game you pay to play!

Or you just value your time enough to allow the bot to spend hours in the game to do things, freeing up those hours for you to do other stuff. That way you can focus your game time on what matters most to you.

 

[WolfpackPB]

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/legal/wow_tou.html

The ToS you agree to when you first start the game states in section XVI that you give them the right to scan your RAM and CPU processes... This is nothing new and nothing being hidden by WoW. You cannot take them to court for something you agreed to.

A terms of service does not supersede the law, a good example is here (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/04/15/online-shoppers-unknowingly-sold-souls.html). A company can write whatever they want in a ToS but it can be overturned in a court. The fact is that that are not allowed to scan outside of their own memory space. And no some GM hinting at the possibility that they might is not enough evidence. Come back with some real evidence and then maybe something could be done.

 

[garoboldy]

I don't think people understand honorbuddy has always been detectable by blizzard, they just choose when they decide to do a banwave. The company spends multi-millions of dollars for technology and people that work on detecting these sorts of things. They are a successful company that is always about maximizing profits. They just put WoD into the new battle-chest and they allows HB to suck money from you all at the same time it meant them also getting subscriptions from you all and getting how many to pre-order legion? Now the new battle-chest includes all expansions and they will get many of you that aren't very bright to buy it along with a new pre-order to legion. It is hilarious though how many of you who will just pick up and start over because you are people with low intelligence and even in WoD cannot learn how to play an already easy game! Guess what? in Legion it will get easier for you all and many of you will most likely be doing the same thing because you cannot do these things yourself. Have fun all of you. To those who decided to quit wow good riddance, to those who stay and bot I would love to see what you droolers look like, and to those of you who decide to stick around wow and play legit... well good luck and have fun playing a game you pay to play!

Nothing from this was valid or productive. Either trolling poorly or just salty from the bans.

 

[Mwayne]

A terms of service does not supersede the law, a good example is here (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/04/15/online-shoppers-unknowingly-sold-souls.html). A company can write whatever they want in a ToS but it can be overturned in a court. The fact is that that are not allowed to scan outside of their own memory space. And no some GM hinting at the possibility that they might is not enough evidence. Come back with some real evidence and then maybe something could be done.

There is a difference between something outlandish such as "claiming ones soul" and requesting to scan RAM and CPU processes for known third party software. Not to mention that is a horrible example because they were never taken to court for it, it was an April Fools day gag, and that they were testing how many people read ToS contracts before agreeing.

 

[GOD]

What law states that they cannot do what you agreed to let them do? That's like someone requesting permission to come on your property, you allowing them that, and then trying to sue for trespassing... There's a reason no one has taken this to court...

Do you even know how the law works? You can't agree to something that is illegal anyways.

Why do you think assisted suicide is illegal in so many places? It doesn't matter if you tell me that I'm allowed to kill you and that you signed papers stating that... it's still murder.

 

[Mwayne]

Do you even know how the law works? You can't agree to something that is illegal anyways.

Why do you think assisted suicide is illegal in so many places? It doesn't matter if you tell me that I'm allowed to kill you and that you signed papers stating that... it's still murder.

Are you trying to rationalize the legality of a ToS by comparing it to assisted suicide? That's like comparing armed robbery with murder... But that aside, if you can provide the actual law stating that it is illegal to scan someones computer with their permission, then I will agree.

 

[Shinyknight]

Are you trying to rationalize the legality of a ToS by comparing it to assisted suicide? That's like comparing armed robbery with murder... But that aside, if you can provide the actual law stating that it is illegal to scan someones computer with their permission, then I will agree.

Okay.

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http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment9.html

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa84.htm

To wit —

STATE ACTION:

In my opinion, the Court can easily find an exception to the State Action Doctrine because Blizzard is “managing private property.” An analogy could be made to the case of Marsh v. Alabama (326 U.S. 501). In that case the court stated that, “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the constitutional and statutory rights of those who use it.”

The fact that Blizzard has “for its benefit” opened up their “property” for use by 11.5 million persons indicates that Blizzard’s rights are sufficiently “circumscribed by the Constitutional rights of those who use it.”

Erwin Chemerinsky, Constitutional Law: Principles and Policies, 3d., (New York: Aspen Publishers, 2006), 520 (citing Marsh).

Further the court states that, “When we balance the Constitutional rights of owners of property against those of the people…as we must here, we remain mindful that the latter occupy a preferred position.”

Erwin Chemerinsky, Constitutional Law: Principles and Policies, 3d., (New York: Aspen Publishers, 2006), 520 (citing Marsh).

This language has never been expressly overruled. Chemerinsky.

Thus, the Supreme Court should find that Blizzard is violating the Constitution, because of its violation of the people’s Constitutional right to privacy under the Ninth Amendment.

 

[Mwayne]

Okay.

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http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment9.html

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa84.htm

To wit —

STATE ACTION:

In my opinion, the Court can easily find an exception to the State Action Doctrine because Blizzard is “managing private property.” An analogy could be made to the case of Marsh v. Alabama (326 U.S. 501). In that case the court stated that, “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the constitutional and statutory rights of those who use it.”

The fact that Blizzard has “for its benefit” opened up their “property” for use by 11.5 million persons indicates that Blizzard’s rights are sufficiently “circumscribed by the Constitutional rights of those who use it.”

Erwin Chemerinsky, Constitutional Law: Principles and Policies, 3d., (New York: Aspen Publishers, 2006), 520 (citing Marsh).

Further the court states that, “When we balance the Constitutional rights of owners of property against those of the people…as we must here, we remain mindful that the latter occupy a preferred position.”

Erwin Chemerinsky, Constitutional Law: Principles and Policies, 3d., (New York: Aspen Publishers, 2006), 520 (citing Marsh).

This language has never been expressly overruled. Chemerinsky.

Thus, the Supreme Court should find that Blizzard is violating the Constitution, because of its violation of the people’s Constitutional right to privacy under the Ninth Amendment.

However, video game worlds in general fall under the realm of Intellectual Property and not private property.

 

[ozzy1133]

Honestly, I could give two fucks less if they are scanning outside their memory space. I'm *****ing on the game they created to skip the not fun part of grinding out 10 million gold. If I get caught, fuck it. If I get away with it, cool. Either way, I'm not spending my freetime doing some dull ass shit to get 10 million gold.

 

[matt84]

and all of this hinges on the fact that they don't have server side detection... which in that case you have no legal claim to anything, wasted your time and money and look stupid in a court

and not only that, but you could take them to court, win get your account back and they say, well good luck you have your account back but we're going to IPBan any ip address you connect too on that account, essentially we're not letting you back into our servers or something along those lines... then you gonna take them to court for not letting you on their servers too?

 

[winifix]

And yet as mentioned many many times blizzard is legally allowed to monitor applications which are communicating with it (accessing its memory), that's how they catching HB.

 

[hackitbaby]

Blizz is not the only one scanning out of process wich is illegal (it doesnt matter whats in the ToS cause illegal will still illegal no matter what) but you will never be able to prove that so any discusion about this is absolutly non sense.

Take them to law and you will lose.
Steam is scanning out of process for like 8 years now and no one cares or has ever won against them in a lawsuit.

At least in germany it is illegal - dont know if its illegal in the us but yea blizz dont care much about this, cause no one will ever prove that and win against them in a lawsuit.