Benefits to increase developers

[cordes96]

I have gotten over my hissy fit about the stupid change in lifetime keys and still not coming back unless I see a reason to. As of right now I have probably lost more money in the last past 1 year of honorbuddy than in the past 5 years.

I learned C# to code Combat routines and I learned a bunch of other languages because I'm finishing up my degree in software engineering.

I feel like if there was a way for Community dev's with a certain amount of healthy used content on the store they should be given lifetime keys or some type of really low discount on their keys or even free(not going to happen bossland loves money) to continually making content and so they don't need to mark things up to still make a profit. The develop of new products has really gotten limited to a small amount of people in this community because everyone doesn't see a huge incentive to actually make things as you can just farm gold with 1 profile and sell and probably make more of a profit than learning a new language.

Now I'm not talking about anyone who makes something but give a reason for dev's to come back. Every single thing bossland has done for the best of the company but not the community and if he wants a strong community willing to fight for it then he needs to stop treating us like livestock(consumers) and more a community willing to put in the effort.

If anyone remembers the days of old Honorbuddy then you know the Community has changed for the worse and is getting worse every day and now with the lifetime change the community growing smaller at a very fast pace. At the old days of the bot, what made the bot so unbeatable was the community not the bot itself. There are plenty of bots right now that do the same thing with better performance and safety. But with the decline of dev's and actual content being shared, people are feeling that they deserve better but no one is really stepping up to the plate to actually doing anything about it.
There isn't a point to create things if the bot has a community that only knows how to complain instead of actually fixing the problem or helping. The bot now has over thousands and thousands of lines of code added to it since the beginning and so sometimes it looks intimidating but we had amazing dev's through every transition to help along the way. And with this transition it just royal fucked everyone and made some dev's leave and not waste their team with the bot.

Don't get upset that I only think dev's should get them but it would give a lot of reason to actually create quailty things for this bot instead of 3 people making excellent things but having them make it super expensive only to have you get banned because the bot is detected.

I'm saying this because dev's are also people and trying to make a living and with bossland being money hungry to pay for legal expenses, I think with having 40% of the profits of buddystore going to him, give the the dev's something to actually work for or create for instead of just taking money from them.

 

[gimek]

There is no point of buying this crap again. Some people lost lot of money cuz of 1 day decision. Not even saying about frequently ban waves.

Time to say goodbye. Hope you lost even more customers and lost all trials at the courts.

 

[laria]

I think this a good idea, which i also had myself.

 

[cordes96]

There is no point of buying this crap again. Some people lost lot of money cuz of 1 day decision. Not even saying about frequently ban waves.

Time to say goodbye. Hope you lost even more customers and lost all trials at the courts.

Well if you look back at the old days of the bot what made the bot so unbeatable was the community not the bot itself. There are plenty of bots right now that do the same thing with better performance and safety. But with the decline of dev's and actual content being shared, people are feeling that they deserve better but no one is really stepping up to the plate to actually doing anything about it.
There isn't a point to create things if the bot has a community that only knows how to complain instead of actually fixing the problem or helping. The bot now has over thousands and thousands of lines of code added to it since the beginning and so sometimes it looks intimidating but we had amazing dev's through every transition to help along the way. And with this transition it just royal fucked everyone and made some dev's leave and not waste their team with the bot.( added to the main post)

I don't think this change from lifetime to subscription base key system would of been that big of a deal if bans weren't raining from the sky and then now having to now pay monthly or yearly for a high chance of a ban. The actual buddy team has shrink and than they have multiple bots they have to fix and code. Before when it was just honorbuddy and even demonbuddy the bot was unbeatable in every way. But blizzard getting smart and learning our ways and the bot isn't keeping up because they don't have the actual man power for it. Dev's are people and have other things going on in their life so having such a small dev team is hard for such a reputable bot to keep up with the giant blizzard is.

Now I'm not saying I would of been happy about switching but it wouldn't of been so bad if there was something actually worth the money to spend in.

The way they executed the whole 1 day notification really hurt a lot of people and was not a very smooth way of giving out a death sentence for keys. And also there was a lot of down time for last year that it almost system like the bot was more down or detected then actually up and running efficiently.

 

[supasitario]

Hey Yeah
I wish there could be a forum where senior devs could see If we are doing something worth it .. or like a guide where we should get the rules to become a dev or a store seller in buddystore.. stuff like that.

It could be a gather point for people new to this to gather and work together

 

[Phelon]

I will add to this. As a Dev I do not mind a 10%-20% take from the store. It adds convenience and advertising. Anything past that is a hard pill to swallow for a content delivery system.

Now that is out of the way..

I believe they need to go back to making devs offer a free service (limited) version to the community. This makes it to the bot has a lot of extra stuff for users for free. If people like the free stuff, they can buy the store products. It worked out great for me before the store, and it gives back to the store.

TLDR: Drop the Bossland cut to 15% and make devs offer a free version on the store also.

 

[Maffyx]

I'm in the same boat, I've gotten my money's worth out of HB/GB over the years so losing my key while frustrating did not mean I lost money directly. I'm a pretty small developer with a few simple profiles. I only needed 1 key to be able to develop for the store and the community. I didn't mind the cut from the store, as it's a way for me to may a little side money as well and not get scammed. That being said, I can't continue to develop without a key, and I am not in a place where I really feel it's worth the time, effort, or money to buy another. I actually like developing profiles, but lately with the numerous ban waves and having to buy WoW keys to keep up, I can't sustain that upkeep and therefore cannot continue to develop. Unless they implement some sort of free version or an option for developers as suggested above I won't be developing anymore. On top of all that I feel pretty uncomfortable supporting a company that pulls this kind of behavior on it's customers. I do support the botting community, and maybe this is a sign to move on from HB to look at other options but I don't think people should take these actions lightly.

 

[lazer1211]

I think it's hilarious that they depend on the community for what 75% or more of the usable bot content yet, they screw everyone that develops for the bot over. Pay more for a product with less features. lol good luck.

 

[nucleotides]

I will add to this. As a Dev I do not mind a 10%-20% take from the store. It adds convenience and advertising. Anything past that is a hard pill to swallow for a content delivery system.

Now that is out of the way..

I believe they need to go back to making devs offer a free service (limited) version to the community. This makes it to the bot has a lot of extra stuff for users for free. If people like the free stuff, they can buy the store products. It worked out great for me before the store, and it gives back to the store.

TLDR: Drop the Bossland cut to 15% and make devs offer a free version on the store also.

I've actually been thinking about this a bit. I still think a small cut to Bossland for the overhead (infrastructure, payment methods costs, ect) but it shouldn't be much more than the cost of facilitating the transaction. Given that seems to be most of what they are doing. Now if this means a decrease in price for the community or more money for the dev is up to the dev.

When I first bought CRs the first thing I did was get the trial versions, the first being TuanHa. It did absolutely everything I needed it to do for general botting purposes, and since singular is almost always a piece of shit, I felt good about what it was doing for me. I liked it so much, and felt I could also use it for raiding, that I didn't just buy the one routine for my main, I bought all of them!

There have been different ways people have done in the past to do premium vs free. Maybe it was working in RBGs, and BGs. Some people even left out movement and facing so you could use it by hand but you couldn't afk bot with it. All shapes and sizes, just so you could see how well it worked as a rotation and if you want to buy it to get all the features.

I just think that they would have a hard time getting new people to buy the bot because:
1.) too many detections recently, not sure if this could have been helped with more HB devs or not.
2.) Why pay a subscription for a bot just for it to be a shell for people to sell you products to fill it out.

not sure what the best solution here is but, free version would go a long way to filling in the gaps.

 

[socrates3]

Well if you look back at the old days of the bot what made the bot so unbeatable was the community not the bot itself. There are plenty of bots right now that do the same thing with better performance and safety. But with the decline of dev's and actual content being shared, people are feeling that they deserve better but no one is really stepping up to the plate to actually doing anything about it.
There isn't a point to create things if the bot has a community that only knows how to complain instead of actually fixing the problem or helping. The bot now has over thousands and thousands of lines of code added to it since the beginning and so sometimes it looks intimidating but we had amazing dev's through every transition to help along the way. And with this transition it just royal fucked everyone and made some dev's leave and not waste their team with the bot.( added to the main post)

I don't think this change from lifetime to subscription base key system would of been that big of a deal if bans weren't raining from the sky and then now having to now pay monthly or yearly for a high chance of a ban. The actual buddy team has shrink and than they have multiple bots they have to fix and code. Before when it was just honorbuddy and even demonbuddy the bot was unbeatable in every way. But blizzard getting smart and learning our ways and the bot isn't keeping up because they don't have the actual man power for it. Dev's are people and have other things going on in their life so having such a small dev team is hard for such a reputable bot to keep up with the giant blizzard is.

Now I'm not saying I would of been happy about switching but it wouldn't of been so bad if there was something actually worth the money to spend in.

The way they executed the whole 1 day notification really hurt a lot of people and was not a very smooth way of giving out a death sentence for keys. And also there was a lot of down time for last year that it almost system like the bot was more down or detected then actually up and running efficiently.

Sorry but there is no bot like Honorbuddy.

The only other somewhat Use-able API has also been detected. And their lack of a store allows the community developer's code to be shared freely after a sale.

The rest are rotation bots. which aren't effective when trying to level 1-110.

Or you can pay someone to write a private bot for you. That's kinda the only case of a "safe" bot. Anything you and I can google on the internet isn't safe.

Agree: 40% is annoyingly high. I have no clue what price-elasticity for a consumer on the store is. I would assume most ppl coming to honorbuddy are ready to pay. Still, who knows what kinda excitement we would see on the store if it was lowered to 15-20%
Agree: 1 day was lame. Coulda been handled a little better.

 

[cordes96]

Sorry but there is no bot like Honorbuddy.

The only other somewhat Use-able API has also been detected. And their lack of a store allows the community developer's code to be shared freely after a sale.

The rest are rotation bots. which aren't effective when trying to level 1-110.

Or you can pay someone to write a private bot for you. That's kinda the only case of a "safe" bot. Anything you and I can google on the internet isn't safe.

Agree: 40% is annoyingly high. I have no clue what price-elasticity for a consumer on the store is. I would assume most ppl coming to honorbuddy are ready to pay. Still, who knows what kinda excitement we would see on the store if it was lowered to 15-20%
Agree: 1 day was lame. Coulda been handled a little better.

If you ask a lot of the people on the forum they want a rotation bot "Legionbuddy".
Well I agree with you on the whole all bots aren't safe right now subject. But the banwave before the last big one it was only honorbuddy getting hit instead of lets say wrobot or something like that.

Even lowering the buddy store cut would make some dev's come back
But right now there isn't really anything here for a dev to actually safe expect a few bucks here and there. You don't see very many new dev's on the forums and a lot of the old's left. If there was some incentive for me to actually code anything I would but at this point I don't see sitting down writing a profile for a bot that banwaves come in every 6 months or so and have to rebuy everything.
Why the community I feel was so big in the past was because buying things wasn't a thing then or if it was it was private buying and there was more public profiles then you can handle, now it's like one or to actually usable ones then you have LCD flagging you for a ban.

Now saying they aren't effective when leveling 1-110 isn't really right. I know a lot of people that actually played the game but had the bot do the rotation for them. Then when they get to 110 they just used a rotation bot for raids and such. Most of us casual botters only really use the rotation bot aspect of it rather then doing bot farms. maybe a few herb farming here and there.

 

[cordes96]

I think it's hilarious that they depend on the community for what 75% or more of the usable bot content yet, they screw everyone that develops for the bot over. Pay more for a product with less features. lol good luck.

It's usually always been like that if you look back but the problem is that they don't have the necessary amount of dev's to be pulling the stunt they did with removing keys. If there was new things added to the bot on a regular basis then I would come back in a instant. But when they switched the bot to HB3 it caused more bugs then good for me(for some reason). It's no the old days anymore and it doesn't look like dev's are coming back any time soon and they are making hella difficult for new dev's to actually start. The bot most of the time has always been community driven that's why right now it's struggling for air in a lot of the fields that it used to be able to stay a float.

The HB lay the infrastructure and the security and the community helps with content but right now they haven't able to get their side of the equation right due to blizzard being blizzard and them running out of money.

 

[prinnyhater1]

if they give the developers (maybe have different tiers) that get free or cheap lifetime keys (lifetime being as long as they are a developer) it would motivate developers to continue

 

[knaw]

I didn't read most of the comments here but HB should really give developers a LOT more of an incentive to make NEW and UPDATE profiles, plugins and routines.
Most should have 5-7 day trials periods (minus the things that only take two days to complete the achievement or whatever) or a free version and paid version.
Cutting the percentage and giving free lifetime keys or multiple free keys or whatever they need to full time build shit would be a huge bonus.
If they dropped their cut to about 15%, I guaranteed we'd see a fuckton more profiles and shit, which are GREATLY NEEDED.
Plus you'd make a shit-ton more money...

 

[Demondog70]

Cordes - One thing I have complained about is a change in focus some away from casual botters to farmers. Don't get me wrong, I don't mine there being a strong farming group but I have seen so many scripts die over the years that were really high demand scripts and no one has taken up their mantle to update simply because they have no real money making viability to them. The one that comes to mind the most is Rarekiller which was used by casual botters to far rare pets is dead and has been for a few years now. The script is there and only needs probably minor updating. While the original developer might be long gone the credit could still be given to them with updates by someone else. I am sure there are many others.

This community has become all about money and in the end it will be what kills the community. If all things fun leaves and behind it the casual botters then it will truly become a dog eat dog situation on the ground.

I really think a bit more emphasis needs be reinvested to make sure the casual botter is not forgotten in all of this.

Money is what is killing us now.

 

[cordes96]

Cordes - One thing I have complained about is a change in focus some away from casual botters to farmers. Don't get me wrong, I don't mine there being a strong farming group but I have seen so many scripts die over the years that were really high demand scripts and no one has taken up their mantle to update simply because they have no real money making viability to them. The one that comes to mind the most is Rarekiller which was used by casual botters to far rare pets is dead and has been for a few years now. The script is there and only needs probably minor updating. While the original developer might be long gone the credit could still be given to them with updates by someone else. I am sure there are many others.

This community has become all about money and in the end it will be what kills the community. If all things fun leaves and behind it the casual botters then it will truly become a dog eat dog situation on the ground.

I really think a bit more emphasis needs be reinvested to make sure the casual botter is not forgotten in all of this.

Money is what is killing us now.

You're right in a lot of fields when you talk about the aim being shifted. I actually used the rarekiller on my hunter to get the wrath spirit beast that toke like 32 hours haha.
Back in the old days honorbuddy was literally just for pvp and then slowly questing became much more efficient then gathering became a 1 button afk bot and then everything started being added. Then the mass farming started to happen when people realized they could have 100 bots going and make profits in a week.
Money will be what kills the honorbuddy for either being to greedy or pushing away the casual botters removing much of the community.
Wow has been declining over the years from the massive giant to a pay to win system slowly and now gold is so easy to obtain that gold prices are so low it's not funny. If your not mass botting you are losing money and then receive a ban and welp try again.

Everything there is has a lifetime and wows peak has long past since Vanilla-Wrath and in turn people are looking elsewhere for games and the era of moba is either at it's peak or just coming down but the era of MMORPG hasn't been around since like lat 2000's or so. It's not only Honorbuddy aim shifting it's also gaming community.
With the buddy team not being able to see that there isn't as many people actually willing to bot a dying game and lose money on it and actually spit in the face of the long time customers they had. I guess they were on a time limit and need money quickly but if they put up a gofund me page or something like that I would easily donated to keep them a float but they know the community isn't what it used to be and didn't think they'd be able to reach their goal.