Paratrooper508
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I heard somewhere that this app acts as spyware that helps detect the buddy and should be closed. Is this true? Or is this just rumor mongering?
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I shut off every Blizzard thing I can see in the background before I start HB. I've never had problems until I got comfortable and stopped checking for awhile. My task manager is always open. It may not make a difference, but I feel better knowing I can't see anything.
korpiklaani
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Doesn't matter at all. You are flagged as soon as you start the bot nowadays. Blizzard just waits for their ban waves to do it all at once.
Paratrooper508
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Yeah after eating 2x 6 month bans despite trying to be very very conservative with it, and getting slapped on diablo as well, I think the sad truth is that Blizz is just onto the Buddies with its spyware type stuff. 
RIP HB I guess. Maybe if I use it in the future it'll be to grind for gold on a throwaway account, but even then seems hard to justify the cost of buying a new account and expansions.
RIP HB I guess. Maybe if I use it in the future it'll be to grind for gold on a throwaway account, but even then seems hard to justify the cost of buying a new account and expansions.
korpiklaani
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Not true? Ok mate.
It's more like they run system wide scans at particular points. If you're botting at that point, flagged.
I botted the hell out of one account before switching to another. Apparently scan happened after I switched to the other, it was flagged after 2 days of botting 24/7 and the one that ran for two weeks solid, no ban.
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Blizzard gets player reports on a player boting . blizzard checks that player and tries to confirm the reports . blizzard then tries to detect the bot ( Tripwire ) if Tripwire works it shuts down all HB ( only 1 player banned ). if tripwire does not work ( blizzard gets passed tripwire ) then blizzard tries to run a full system scan ( Tripwire ) almost always ( 1 time tripwire was not turned on and 1 time blizzard knew the IP range not to scan ) works on mass scan. only the people online at the time of the scan are at risk .
blizzard can only scan blizzards programs. the way they find the bot is the attachment of HB to wow in the memory. they can only find it if you are using it at the time they check for it (even then tripwire could shut it off before they confirm it). thats why they dont do random checks. millions of accounts it would cost them so much time and money to do random searchs for the bot . they would never find the bot this way . most who bot dont have the bot attached 100% of the time + millions who never bot .
players who get reported or are just crazy high risk boting effect everyone
blizzard can only scan blizzards programs. the way they find the bot is the attachment of HB to wow in the memory. they can only find it if you are using it at the time they check for it (even then tripwire could shut it off before they confirm it). thats why they dont do random checks. millions of accounts it would cost them so much time and money to do random searchs for the bot . they would never find the bot this way . most who bot dont have the bot attached 100% of the time + millions who never bot .
players who get reported or are just crazy high risk boting effect everyone
let see, ive botted on approximately 20 accounts, sold 10 of them with no bans after months to years botting on them. 3 accounts got banned, 5 ran out of time (botted on alot but monitored alot) (still not banned just inactive) and 2 of my "main" accounts (1 of them I occasionally bot, while the other one I never bot) are still active and never banned after 4 years. So yea.
Uninformed people are, frequently, extremely outspoken.
I can't see why it is so difficult for you to understand that you have no clue at Blizzard banning methods. But you still feel the need to share your opinions as facts.
Let me guess. You are UnderratedPost other account. That would explain it all now.
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alvysinger
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The vitriol on this forum is utterly off the charts lately.
HB5802W34
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Amen.
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i do understand that many people like yourself are Uninformed or just don't know the facts. you can not in any way show that 1 thing that was said is not 100% true.
Now from HB reports about the 2 ban waves that were detected ( facts are: Tripwire was shut off and blizzard was given Ip ranges ) (inside job)
HB posted about both these ban waves .. fact
Blizzard posted 3 times on Ban waves . do some research youll find blizzard has many ban waves 2 or 3 before 2009 and Before HB was made. Blizzard Posted " after researching player reports " ( never detected a bot before Warden ) they banned 5,000 players . blizzard stop posting about it. they use to let everyone know they were working on getting rid of the bots every time they ban people.
Blizzards system is called Warden . YOU GRANT YOUR CONSENT TO THE FOLLOWING: WHEN RUNNING, THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT CLIENT MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT .
btw the caps aren't mine they are in the Terms of Use
The Warden client scans a small portion of the code segment of running processes in order to determine whether any third-party programs are running. The goal of this is to detect and address players who may be attempting to run unsigned code or third party programs in the game. This determination of third party programs is made by hashing the scanned strings and comparing the hashed value to a list of hashes assumed to correspond to banned third party programs. The Warden's reliability in correctly discerning legitimate versus illegitimate actions was called into question when a large scale incident happened when many Linux users were banned after an update to Warden caused it to incorrectly detect Cedega as a cheat program.Blizzard issued a statement claiming they had correctly identified and restored all accounts and credited them with 20 days play. Warden scans all processes running on a computer, not just the World of Warcraft game, and could possibly run across what would be considered private information and other personally identifiable information. It is because of these peripheral scans that Warden has been accused of being spyware and has run afoul of controversy among privacy advocates.
they cant scan your files only what is running and interacting with wow .
they can not mass scan millions of computers with out knowing what to look for . no way blizzard mass scans or does random scans in the hopes some thing stands out. would take so much time and money scanning so many NON- botters . they depend on player reports to help them find a starting point . even then they do not always find something.
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Just because you know about Warden and that it can run a scan doesn't mean you know how the process works.
You really think they initiate a mass scan off of player reports? Blizzard has HB and they dissect it in order to find a hole to exploit to try and catch people without setting off Tripwire.
Hate to break it to everyone, but when Blizzard actually tries they will get us every time. That is just how it works.
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Lotta derp in a lot of HB threads lately. Just saying.
korpiklaani
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God bless you brave warrior. LUL
I shouldn't waste my time or the one of the person reading this explaining you the differences between fact and opinion. But I'll bite.
The only fact here is that you don't know how tripwire works.
Bossland never talked about 2 banwaves that were avoided by tripwire. They said that Tripwire was tripped twice due to changes in the wowclient that might be directly targetting honorbuddy.
The relation between that, and a Banwave, is your imagination.
What you need to understand is that they won't ban you instantly. They want your money. They would never instaban on the moment that they confirm detection because that would be a terrible business decision. $$$$$
To further set it clearer, Bossland has been honest enough to acknowledge they couldn't figure out how the latest 2 banwaves took place.
Why would Blizzard need to add to, or change, a working system? 3 Banwaves in a year. Yet,you prefer to keep on paying Blizz, unable to see the real facts, even if they were 20 banwaves in a year.
About Blizzard "being given the Ip ranges of Tripwire".."inside job".....it's just self-explanatory. Not worthy commenting. A 10 year old could make up a better conspiracy theory than that.
I don't need to do research, because I've been there all the time. But can't make any sense of this.
Did you copy-paste Blizzard's wikipedia warden page trying to show off in-depth understanding of Warden? Seriously??.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizza...#Warden_client
Following with your so-called "facts".......Blizzard can do whatever they want.
They can indeed act beyond legality; even the Buddy devs commented that it was something they have considered when trying to find how HB was detected on the 2nd banwave.
And it would be us who would need to prove they did so; which would led to a never ending legal process, against an army of lawyers.
Even in the case that they were finally considered to have inflicted privacy laws, do you think that would be something that a multibillion dollar company can't withstand?
Sorry for the reality check.
Mass-scanning millions of computers......that's exactly what Warden does?
Again, do you think that Blizzard$$$$$ is so utterly incompetent that they can't locate fingerprints on an injecting bot???
Joseph , you sound like delusional and uninformed.
Serious people who want to find real answers about the safety of the bot run away when they check our forums and see posts with irrational defenses of HB as if it was the safest software and bans were only due to player reports or bad botting habits.......
These are not doing our community, or our favourite bot, any good. Please refrain from keep posting them.
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