Anyone worried about this?

[darkfoxes]

So this is talk in the wow forums US side Arena sub-forum but Don't just take it only for PVP.. This project they
are talking about could be used for PVE also..

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20042885396?page=1

Pretty much they are trying to start a Anti-Bot addon project that isn't anything to do with blizzard and have freelancer coders pick it up.
I am sure someone will figure something out that blizzard don't know how to do by detect bot patterns in Logs as there is always
someone better out in the world then working for blizzard that's for sure..

It's a little scary though if they do make such a addon so anyone can use it and detect people that are botting just by looking at the blizzard logs..
I'm unsure if blizzard would allow it though cause it feels like a hack in a sense if its looking at logs but then again recount and any dps meter kind of does the same thing..
except I don't think recount shows too much info like times which the logs do if your parse them which they have already I think made a tool to parse the logs.

Just thought you should look at this...

 

[eksaro]

Based on that post. Im not worried at all

 

[darkfoxes]

have you read all the comments on that forum page... I read another post and over 40 pages of people were complaining about bots so They will get allot of backing..

 

[eksaro]

Yeah, i get that.
But i don't think you understand how hard this actually is, and even harder to use this as proof to blizz for them to ban us.

For example: What classifies a botter? Instant interupt? Sure, but that isn't hard for us to change. So what else?
To analyze movement etc to check if someone is botting i in an addond is impossible.
This might to some effect work in PVP, but i really doubt that, and blizzard will never use data from an external addon to ban.
As for PVE? Well.. good luck with that

 

[ekeefe41]

have you read all the comments on that forum page... I read another post and over 40 pages of people were complaining about bots so They will get allot of backing..

The guys is wishing for something to exist and pretending it could happen with what looks like zero coding knowledge and no fucking clue how it would do the job he wants it to do.

If I said i wanted to have a spoon made that you could eat anything you wanted and never get fat. People would support and be excited about it. Would still never happen.

Shit... Blizz who coded WoW can not detect a bot with 100% certainty... but this guy is going to have someone make an addon that can. Pie in the sky bullshit.

 

[ZoneHunter]

The guys is wishing for something to exist and pretending it could happen with what looks like zero coding knowledge and no fucking clue how it would do the job he wants it to do.

If I said i wanted to have a spoon made that you could eat anything you wanted and never get fat. People would support and be excited about it. Would still never happen.

Shit... Blizz who coded WoW can not detect a bot with 100% certainty... but this guy is going to have someone make an addon that can. Pie in the sky bullshit.

Agreed. sounds like a load of false hope based on reading that thread. can always take 2 minutes and code a plugin to randomize any factor though should the need arise.

several CRs already offer randomization factors for interrupt s

 

[darkfoxes]

The guy has no coding experience I know but that is why they are doing a funding project to get a professional coder.
Like I'm not worried cause when i do bot in pvp I only use the botbases that allows me to move myself in pvp or leveling.
I never do full on auto botting or grinding anymore.. Not done it in over a year. When I do pvp I setup allot of the rotation to
use hotkeys for allot of the skills and I turn on interrupts so i can do them myself. So they only main concern I have when botting which
is i guess anyone's concern when botting with honorbuddy is the day when blizz detect it again if they did detect it..

 

[eksaro]

So why did you say you were worried about this then? Addons can't scan your pc for honorbuddy. Only thing it could possible detect is stupid botting, and in most cases not even that.

 

[Mario27]

i dont care about blizzard post

 

[ZoneHunter]

another thing.... it's a addon can always grab a copy and make specific counters to its detections... latency will also impose serious issues to its accuracy

 

[NavyAV89]

so you really think that if it were possible to detect a bot with an add-on that Blizzard isnt already doing it?

I think they are.......

This project is a waste of time and not to be concerned with. At some point, they will ask the questions, what reaction time is considered "human" vs non-human? They will then perform a witch hunt for anyone better than those standards.

Coding that data into the bot is trivial so they would have wasted all that effort for nothing.

 

[mekrenon]

Looks like a half-assed pie-in-the-sky version of what Blizzard already does.

People delude themselves thinking they can do better than the developer but one dude trying to parse the behavior of randomized bots is false hope personified.

Best case scenario for that idiot is his addon acts as a secondary report button that Blizzard can and most likely will ignore, because they already do this without having it run through a third party program relying on logs that can be doctored.

 

[Azhemoth]

That post is almost laughable. It's obviously just a money grab.
There's no way a "bot detector" could be created with the WoW API, let alone could one exist that has 100% accuracy as they claim they're only settling for.

To create something they're attempting, it would need to exploit the game client to harvest the needed information.
There's nothing in the WoW Lua API that would give them the required functionality to make a bot detector. It's just impossible.

 

[winifix]

Lol @ ThreadCreater - this will not work, if it did then worldoflogs.com etc... would already have ways of identifying bots from it.
I know my routines are 100% random, the bot knows what is best to push next, but to be more "stupid" it randomises its next pick of spell and sometimes picks a non-optimal spell.
Same with interrupts / Dispells, sometimes it instant interrupts othertimes it interrupts / dispells after 1 second or 5 seconds etc... sometimes it simply "fails" to interrupt or dispell.
Then you also have to take latency into consideration.... - > good luck doing the impossible.

 

[Giwin]

Risks of false positives etc, plus the buddy team will act accordingly.
I'm actually surprised no one has attempted this before, especially since the system is based on tiles.
Blizzard might also ban the addon due to people being wrongly reported.

 

[Frayman]

Agreed Giwin, and lets face it I believe that Blizzard tolerates Bots becasue its a source of income as well.. if they really wanted us gone they could do it and keep doing it despite the changes bot creators make.

Just my 2 cents ..its only speculation on my part

 

[tomcruise]

Risks of false positives etc, plus the buddy team will act accordingly.
I'm actually surprised no one has attempted this before, especially since the system is based on tiles.
Blizzard might also ban the addon due to people being wrongly reported.

tiles? what the f$%^ are you talking about

the addon is about reading combat log to identify patterns, nothing to do with movement

"hurr durr nothing to worry about except i don't even understand it my opinion is very important because i have developer title"

 

[gippy]

This addon already existed during either late wotlk or early cata, made by someone from oc that didnt like bots. It did what the op was talking about and called them out in bg chat telling everyone that player was a bot because of xx criteria.

I think blizz broke it but im not sure

 

[NavyAV89]

tiles? what the f$%^ are you talking about

the addon is about reading combat log to identify patterns, nothing to do with movement

"hurr durr nothing to worry about except i don't even understand it my opinion is very important because i have developer title"

your being douchy...just saying.

i dont see anywhere in the post where it limits it to combat logs. Movement would certainly be something they want to report on.......That same worn out path in AV for instance......

 

[fossilburner]

tiles? what the f$%^ are you talking about

the addon is about reading combat log to identify patterns, nothing to do with movement

"hurr durr nothing to worry about except i don't even understand it my opinion is very important because i have developer title"