AMD Ryzen CPU's - Post your botting stats here

[fellowbotter]

Hi

So AMD Ryzen CPU's are just around the corner...
This topic's goal is to post which Ryzen CPU and other hardware you got any how many bots you can run with it.
Also a discussion about overclocking, cooling, temps and comparison vs Intel all regarding botting.

 

[Soullinker]

Things to consider:

1. IP bans do exist. There are cases that GM investigate every instance that has used a IP and ban the whole cluster of bots/guild banks/ accounts that have never used HB wiping everything. Admittedly it is rare.
2. A lot more common is for a GM to ban everything on single PC and blacklist the WoW installation ID and in some cases HWID so when you start a new account it will be auto banned. So in order to minimise risk its better to have multiple systems rather than 1.
3. Second-hand servers and workstations is also a thing. Why buy a 400$ - 600$ CPU when you can get a whole system for that amount. For example Intel has the habit of putting GPU's in their CPU's unless they are for servers (XEON which are even more powerful) Got a workstation with 16 GB ram, 2 CPU with 8 threads each + GPU + HHD for 350$ recently and it can run more bots that i have the desire to take care off.

IMO if you want to use a PC for botting only there are a lot better alternatives economic wise than buying a single OP computer and running 50 bots on it.
To prove my point even more: you can buy a second hand computer capable of running 2 bots for 25$ -30$ from some pawn shop. Fork up 250$ - 300$ and you will have 20 bots running. For 250-300$ you can buy what a I5 CPU that can run less than 10 bots not to mention the cost of the other parts.

The drawback before someone mention it is that taking care of 10 PC is a hassle/room will be hot/ electricity bill will be up drastically. Then again heat is not a problem if you have a spare room/basement and you should be making at least 200$ month per account so you should be okay bill wise (unless you get banned) with no profit made.

 

[brainAbuddy]

Things to consider:

1. IP bans do exist. There are cases that GM investigate every instance that has used a IP and ban the whole cluster of bots/guild banks/ accounts that have never used HB wiping everything. Admittedly it is rare.
2. A lot more common is for a GM to ban everything on single PC and blacklist the WoW installation ID and in some cases HWID so when you start a new account it will be auto banned. So in order to minimise risk its better to have multiple systems rather than 1.
3. Second-hand servers and workstations is also a thing. Why buy a 400$ - 600$ CPU when you can get a whole system for that amount. For example Intel has the habit of putting GPU's in their CPU's unless they are for servers (XEON which are even more powerful) Got a workstation with 16 GB ram, 2 CPU with 8 threads each + GPU + HHD for 350$ recently and it can run more bots that i have the desire to take care off.

IMO if you want to use a PC for botting only there are a lot better alternatives economic wise than buying a single OP computer and running 50 bots on it.
To prove my point even more: you can buy a second hand computer capable of running 2 bots for 25$ -30$ from some pawn shop. Fork up 250$ - 300$ and you will have 20 bots running. For 250-300$ you can buy what a I5 CPU that can run less than 10 bots not to mention the cost of the other parts.

The drawback before someone mention it is that taking care of 10 PC is a hassle/room will be hot/ electricity bill will be up drastically. Then again heat is not a problem if you have a spare room/basement and you should be making at least 200$ month per account so you should be okay bill wise (unless you get banned) with no profit made.

okay first thing first this topic is about the cpu not what is better or anything.

1# blizz doesn't really do IP banning. IP bannend means that you can never play the game. What blizzard does (and this is what me and most people think because we aren't sure what they are doing) is they flag your IP so they will look more on your accounts so that means that youi can get faster bannend. and yes your are right once 1 account is flagged for botting there is a high change that the rest will also be bannend fast! (it's looks really fun when you see all the account go down one by one)
2# yes you are a kind of right about that look go back to 1#
3#second hand computer can be better. go take a look on ebay for xeon x5000 series those are 4-6 core cpu and most of the time you will need to put 2 cpu in 1 motherboard. so this way to can get a pretty okay PC for botting, but there are alot of cons for this way of pc building. if you want to learn more take a look in this video from linustechtips here
you also said that XEON are more powerfull this not true go take a look in this video also from linustechtips
and yes a xeon hansn't a Igpu but it's better to have a normal gpu because wow doesn't use that much GPU power but with that many client the IGPU will have problems(with an i7 4770k I coult run 10 client in mop on the IGPU but with an FPS of 5 or something like that. Not recommended for botting)

this ryzencpu is a pretty good cpu for us botters, because it's a game! Games don't really benefit from more then 4 cores (when just gaming I'm not talking about streaming)
if you want to see proof go start just 1 client and take a look on your CPU you will see that not all cores are even spread usages by the client. We need more cores so the usage is more spread. The down side to this cpu is that the cost are currently pretty high

 

[fellowbotter]

Things to consider:

1. IP bans do exist. There are cases that GM investigate every instance that has used a IP and ban the whole cluster of bots/guild banks/ accounts that have never used HB wiping everything. Admittedly it is rare.
2. A lot more common is for a GM to ban everything on single PC and blacklist the WoW installation ID and in some cases HWID so when you start a new account it will be auto banned. So in order to minimise risk its better to have multiple systems rather than 1.
3. Second-hand servers and workstations is also a thing. Why buy a 400$ - 600$ CPU when you can get a whole system for that amount. For example Intel has the habit of putting GPU's in their CPU's unless they are for servers (XEON which are even more powerful) Got a workstation with 16 GB ram, 2 CPU with 8 threads each + GPU + HHD for 350$ recently and it can run more bots that i have the desire to take care off.

IMO if you want to use a PC for botting only there are a lot better alternatives economic wise than buying a single OP computer and running 50 bots on it.
To prove my point even more: you can buy a second hand computer capable of running 2 bots for 25$ -30$ from some pawn shop. Fork up 250$ - 300$ and you will have 20 bots running. For 250-300$ you can buy what a I5 CPU that can run less than 10 bots not to mention the cost of the other parts.

The drawback before someone mention it is that taking care of 10 PC is a hassle/room will be hot/ electricity bill will be up drastically. Then again heat is not a problem if you have a spare room/basement and you should be making at least 200$ month per account so you should be okay bill wise (unless you get banned) with no profit made.

#1 Is offtopic but eaitherway we all know there is a software that can't be named here that masks IP address. So problem solved.
#2 You can solve that with VMWare virtualization on a single PC. Sure you will run less bots like that but you have more control over everything you mentioned as they are treated like a virtual PCs. I am not saying that you are safe that way but you are probably "safer". It all comes down to individual decision.

#3 not everyone has an option of a basement or a prelocated space for a dedicated botting rigs except their room. Those xeon's are usually cheap but you need two of them and mobo ain't cheap. Not to mention they probably draw 120-140W+. I am not really concerned about electricity wise but thats kinda hot to cool and noisy fans specially if we now have 65W CPU's that are better than this xeons (i7-6700, i7-7700, Ryzen 7 1700). Lots of botters are using the first two CPU's or the "K" equivalent. Its possible to build pretty silent botting rigs with this kind of setups. Sure you can put 2 bots on $25-30 from a pawn shop but those PC's won't be silent, electricity efficient, it will be pain to work on them. AH items. Loading times. You'll lose time here.

Basicaly what Aion is saying here -> https://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/296891-botting-larger-scale-2.html

I think we can all agree that with botting the CPU's are the bottleneck. Its never the ram, disk space or gpu. The first two you can rebuy if you run out. So I think this $300-$600 Ryzens will perform very good for botting.
Compared to what is on the market right now and how much it costs. Its a fair price. Its not like I am saying go buy a 18 core 36 thread Intel which costs $7kish and try to break a world record of how many bots you can run Thats not a really economic advantage but I think this AMD Ryzens can be. We will just have to wait couple of days for some people to test them out...

 

[Aion]

Chatted about Ryzens yesterday with my local hardware company, which is both Intel and AMD's certified dealer for my country, and they still wait for AMD to ship them the first Ryzons Engineering Samples for testing.

Since they run the most popular local hardware review site in my language (Similar to Tom's Hardware) they usually receive the first samples, but still waiting

 

[fellowbotter]

bump anyone yet tested with Ryzen?

 

[fellowbotter]

As I see Ryzen is a winner with multi threaded performance but a loser with single thread performance according to Cinebench R15. Which of this two scores impacts on multibotting?

 

[Nieznany]

It seems that for casual botting it will be the best option atm (price/performance) but for long term botting Xeons are still best option

 

[Druid07]

Ryzen is garbage. Get e5-2683 v3 for 350$ instead, 14 cores 28 threads. Ryzen is trash the 500$ 1080x loses to 350$ 7700k in every single game by a lot, for botting needs xeons are superior.

 

[eyesopen]

Ryzen is garbage. Get e5-2683 v3 for 350$ instead, 14 cores 28 threads. Ryzen is trash the 500$ 1080x loses to 350$ 7700k in every single game by a lot, for botting needs xeons are superior.

lol its wrong, xeons as more expensive, Rysen are very good and better than Intel cpus, better everywhere, just 2 or 3 fps difference with intel cpus

 

[eyesopen]

As I see Ryzen is a winner with multi threaded performance but a loser with single thread performance according to Cinebench R15. Which of this two scores impacts on multibotting?

lol cinebench for botting performance, .....

 

[fellowbotter]

lol cinebench for botting performance, .....

well noone has posted any bottting builds with Ryzen so i'm looking at cinebench and cpu-z benchmarks or you suggest I should look at GTA V FPS benchmark which doesn't matter at all for botting.

lol its wrong, xeons as more expensive, Rysen are very good and better than Intel cpus, better everywhere, just 2 or 3 fps difference with intel cpus

thats not true... Ryzen 1800X ($560) loses to i7-7700K ($330) almost in every games. Sometimes even for 15-20% average and min FPS. Thats both at stock speeds. If you start overclocking both you get even better performance out of intel as it doesn't heat up that much as ryzen.

 

[EleGiggle]

lol its wrong, xeons as more expensive, Rysen are very good and better than Intel cpus, better everywhere, just 2 or 3 fps difference with intel cpus

I've been using Intel my whole life, and it always delivered max power with good life span and reliability, while i literally tortured it to death, daily. Everybody i use to game with, did also. Don't know why anybody would go AMD over Intel, makes no sense to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Aion]

lol cinebench for botting performance, .....

You can lol mate, but the games nowadays have quite similar CPU usage like the professional 3D design software, like Cinema 4D, the one behind Cinebench, so this one is good measure for botting performance indeed.

 

[Nieznany]

lol its wrong, xeons as more expensive, Rysen are very good and better than Intel cpus, better everywhere, just 2 or 3 fps difference with intel cpus

Remember that Xeons are supposed to work 24/7 ryzen's are not

 

[fellowbotter]

Ryzen is garbage. Get e5-2683 v3 for 350$ instead, 14 cores 28 threads. Ryzen is trash the 500$ 1080x loses to 350$ 7700k in every single game by a lot, for botting needs xeons are superior.

wow I looked that CPU up. Its impressive mobo for that xeon is also $200 right? Could possibly be the best bang for buck in botting ^^

but on the other hand Ryzen 7 1700 has almost same cinebench multithreaded score as this e5-2683 v3 though less cores, threads and also 65W TDP. Used xeon and new ryzen same price.

 

[Aion]

wow I looked that CPU up. Its impressive mobo for that xeon is also $200 right? Could possibly be the best bang for buck in botting ^^

but on the other hand Ryzen 7 1700 has almost same cinebench multithreaded score as this e5-2683 v3 though less cores, threads and also 65W TDP. Used xeon and new ryzen same price.

It is common sense for AMD to position the new Ryzens under the corresponding Intel equivalent. With a small exception - they will place it just under the current Intel line of processors, aka 7-th Gen.

As most of us already knows - the previous generations are always better in the price/performance ratio, due to their reduced price on the aftermarket.

But fully comparing Ryzen to 2nd hand Xeon E5-2683 V3 is not correct at all! The first is brand new mainstream product, other is old professional server-oriented one. When new, the Xeon was priced at $1800, almost 3 times over the Ryzen price.

 

[Jiniix]

>Ryzen is garbage
>Losing in every game by alot
>Only looking at few games in 1080p
>Not realizing the massive impact it's going to make
>Comparing with a $1700 2014 CPU
>Comparing with a CPU at half the cores, and 2/3 the price
>Not comparing against it's $1050 counterpart
>Intel doesn't heat up as much as AMD
LEL
Although the 2683 is quite a good deal if you trust the Chinese with such purchase, this is just daft
Also, try overlocking any 2011 CPU ))))

 

[Aion]

>Ryzen is garbage
>Losing in every game by alot
>Only looking at few games in 1080p
>Not realizing the massive impact it's going to make
>Comparing with a $1700 2014 CPU
>Comparing with a CPU at half the cores, and 2/3 the price
>Not comparing against it's $1050 counterpart
>Intel doesn't heat up as much as AMD
LEL
Although the 2683 is quite a good deal if you trust the Chinese with such purchase, this is just daft
Also, try overlocking any 2011 CPU ))))

Actually, there is tons of variants, when building powerful botting PC from the aftermarket, the E5-2683 V3 is not the only option.

Im typing from my "brand new" Z800 Workstation, powered by 2x Xeon X5680 CPUs @ 3.3 GHz, paired with nVidia GTX1060 6GB and 32GB of DDR3 RAM.

And it is dirty cheap - $300 for the Z800 barebone, 2x CPUs $110 each, $180 for VGA, 60$ for RAM and $200 for the best SSD, available for this old mainboard.

Total $950 for fully working workstation with 12 cores (24 threads) @3.3GHz default / 3.6GHz boost. And its CPU benchmarks put it slightly better than brand new i7-7700K (4 cores) and i7-6800K with 6 cores.

Of course there is better performance rigs - its 30% slower than single i7-6900K (8 cores) but its worth $900 on Ebay only the CPU, without all the other stuff ...

 

[fellowbotter]

@Aion nice build but that two xeons are 260W. lots of heat to cool and power to consume wheres i7-7700K only 91W. How many you run on it?