About the Lack of profiles and good working Plugins.

[Megser]

Now, I've heard A LOT of complaints about there being no good profiles or plugins and shit not working and everyone's wondering why... so I'll tell you. It's because people get nothing out from what they do, what do they get if they post an awesome profile they made on the forums? "Oh well he gets a few rep!" - Rep is there to motivate ppl, yeah, but people rarely give rep. Now the things that could motivate people into continuing updating their plugins, CC's make new profiles etc is ofcourse, money. Users can make profiles you pay a few dollars for, a plugin you buy and CC's etc. I think it defo would highten the amount of all these stuff. It doesn't need to be JUST money, maybe something else? Something simple as a survey? Or any other way that would give the guy the stuff he earned.

(This is just if you want your profile, plug or CC to be paid for)

That's just my two cents.

I believe there's going to be a lot of flaming and stuff now

EDIT: I think we should make a sub-forum where you can buy bot related stuff (profiles, plugins CC's...)

 

[ssizon]

profiles are easy to make. plugins are not needed

 

[Megser]

profiles are easy to make. plugins are not needed

Depends on what kind of profile it is, and plugins are highly wanted.

 

[Fazc]

What is sometimes overlooked in these threads is that there are many bots available to the WoW gamer. Honorbuddy is relatively new (and I will add, does a fantastic job), however it does have stiff competition from other programs. What i've heard in some threads amounts to "well if you don't like it, go elsewhere" or "make a profile yourself", the first comment makes no business sense at all and is an arrogant stance which will deter potential resubscribers. The second ignores the factor you pointed out, motivation to actually produce stuff which the programmers can use and pass to the rest of us.

Now the things that could motivate people into continuing updating their plugins, CC's make new profiles etc is ofcourse, money.

This is it, I don't know the how many people are working on Honorbuddy updates but if the company is resistant (understandably) to employing new coders then at least provide some incentive for people to write code for them. This widens their resources and encourages a sense of loyalty to the company.

Usually customers aren't stupid, new company's who treat their customers as sensible people and encourage a sense of loyalty by providing an ear for ideas will be better received and any flaws in the product seem less of an issue.

 

[CodenameG]

really it comes down to the community being lazy when it comes to making your own profiles, for some reason, no one wants to do it. or people think a profile needs to be a 1-60 type deal, and so they think its too much work. if you sat in the chat youll know how many people come in asking for profiles, but in the end whats there is there, no ones going to share out of their private stash, because if they wanted to share it would be up already. as for plugins a lot at least from me, are made because im board and wanted to test my skill and hone my craft and make something new, that requires minimal support. unlike CC's where they need constant attention and a lot of work put into them since its a Garbage in/Garbage out situation. but ask anyone whos ever helped me out, with development costs [IE: Gamecards or Keys] technically i work for you. because without them, there would be no code at all. so yea, +Rep is fine, but in the end wont help you gain respect, or hold you in the middle of the night and tell you everything is ok.

 

[dottzor]

I agree with Megser.

I have a ton of profiles since I like making my own.
I really can't see a reason to share em atm, because no matter what Bossland says, but more ppl using the same profile = more player reports.
And I will be using these profiles again.

 

[MrB]

I quite agree with what you are saying and myself. I'm a new user and am quite happy with the way things are going but.... as a new user, I can see where some of the compaints/moans are coming from. You sign up and pay a fee for a product that you have to spend a while searching how to use and deciding what profile to use. I expected it (HB) to come with a few built in profiles that would be idiot proof to get going - i.e. if I wanted to level a horde character, I'd boot it up, press start and away it would go and this isn't strictly the case. Afterall on the homepage it says that "Leveling 1 - 80, mostly done by 1 click from 1-60, 60-70, 70-80 "

Like I said, I'm happy with things now I've figured them out anyway, but I understand where people are coming from. I am grateful for the work people have put into the various plug ins and profiles and as soon as I get somewhere with a toon or two will certainly be repping and posting my thanks. It's a job I certainly wouldn't want to spend time on myself, but that's why I bought HB.

Anyway, I'm not here to moan, I'm here to get some toons levelled and then hopefully get GB and some gathering on the go.

 

[Fazc]

really it comes down to the community being lazy when it comes to making your own profiles

You don't expect to walk into your favourite restaurant, order a steak and be told by the waiter "go kill the cow yourself, you lazy bastard!".

Seriously I don't think a lot of these 'complaints' are anything more than the buyer wanting his opinions heard with a little respect. There is a lot of resistance against that here, not neccesarily from the owners but from the community.

 

[CodenameG]

You don't expect to walk into your favourite restaurant, order a steak and be told by the waiter "go kill the cow yourself, you lazy bastard!".

because your not in a restaurant here. you bought the program, the Default CC, and access to the community. its up to people in the community to make content to share. not for the community to wait on you while you scarf it down.

 

[dottzor]

Myself, I wud gladly pay a small ammount of cash for such quality CC's as old gotwood, morrds pally, codenameG's mage and ski's lock for example.

 

[CodenameG]

Myself, I wud gladly pay a small ammount of cash for such quality CC's as old gotwood, morrds pally, codenameG's mage and ski's lock for example.

we all have donation buttons, well i dont, but morrd, and fpsware do.

 

[Fazc]

Let's put the steak analogy in the fridge for later, CodenameG.

To reiterate what I said in my first post on this thread, there are many bots available for the WoW user. Expecting the buyer to not only purchase but then produce files themselves goes above and beyond what is expected from other bots on the market, with no incentive to do so.

Again, if these comments were heard and treated with some consideration by the community they would be much better received and that alone would encourage people to stick with it. Rather than this situation where once again we're essentially told "don't like it? then go away".

 

[dottzor]

we all have donation buttons, well i dont, but morrd, and fpsware do.

I know they do.
Wasn't really what I was aiming for tho.

 

[Doll]

what exactly is reputation in here used for btw? just curious

 

[Odd]

I feel it's better that people do some research before starting to bot rather than just downloading HB, selecting a default 1-60 profile and clicking start.
And yes, i am new to HB and still have some problems finding the ins and outs of everything, but I know I'll get there in the end.

Think back on glider that had prepackaged default profiles for certain zones.... 5-15 players running in the exact same pattern, grinding the same mobs day in and day out. Something like that's basically what you get if HB were to include default profiles. Granted, HB doesn't follow an exact pattern when it comes to hotspots as glider did, but still 5-15 people in one area 24/7 is a magnet for reports - and eventually banwaves.

 

[CodenameG]

Let's put the steak analogy in the fridge for later, CodenameG.

To reiterate what I said in my first post on this thread, there are many bots available for the WoW user. Expecting the buyer to not only purchase but then produce files themselves goes above and beyond what is expected from other bots on the market, with no incentive to do so.

Again, if these comments were heard and treated with some consideration by the community they would be much better received and that alone would encourage people to stick with it. Rather than this situation where once again we're essentially told "don't like it? then go away".

no one likes to hear complaining, but most people complain, and complain, and complain, instead of spending a little bit of time and learning how to solve the issue they are complaining about. it dosnt take a rocket scientest to figure out how to make a profile. open up 3 or 4 of them, and look at whats the same and whats different. and copy and paste.

 

[Nuok]

I dont think there a lack of good profiles, there's plenty. However alot are bumped to pages 2-3 ect... a good solution to this would be to break it down into horde and alliance profiles so that more profiles appear in each subsection.

 

[dayloon]

I've donated to Mordd twice because of his excellent profiles. So no, OP, I don't agree with you at all. I'd happily donate to anyone who provided good profiles. A bot is only as good as the profile it's using. HB might be great but if you're using an out of date, crap profile then don't expect great results. Unfortunately a large proportion of profiles are no longer kept up to date.

 

[Fazc]

no one likes to hear complaining, but most people complain, and complain, and complain, instead of spending a little bit of time and learning how to solve the issue they are complaining about.

It's not so much about yourself though CodenameG, you make profiles for free and they work very well (i'm using one as I type this!). I wouldn't blame you for being dimissive if people complained about your work. However that is not what i'm talking about, it's more about the owners. The people who benefit directly from our subscriptions, those who get our money. If they gave monetary incentive to those people (like yourself) who have the skill and inclination to produce files they would immediately tap into an enthusiastic and talented workforce and give them incentive to do so. This move would benefit you CodenameG, as it would your fellow profile makers and the rest of the community! A larger workforce would allow for more profiles for a product with fantastic potential, happier customers spreading positive reviews about Honorbuddy everywhere!

 

[CodenameG]

It's not so much about yourself though CodenameG, you make profiles for free and they work very well (i'm using one as I type this!). I wouldn't blame you for being dimissive if people complained about your work. However that is not what i'm talking about, it's more about the owners. The people who benefit directly from our subscriptions, those who get our money. If they gave monetary incentive to those people (like yourself) who have the skill and inclination to produce files they would immediately tap into an enthusiastic and talented workforce and give them incentive to do so. This move would benefit you CodenameG, as it would your fellow profile makers and the rest of the community! A larger workforce would allow for more profiles for a product with fantastic potential, happier customers spreading positive reviews about Honorbuddy everywhere!

ANYONE CAN MAKE A CC, what i do isnt special, anyone can do what i do. anyone can make a plugin, anyone can make a profile. NO ONE, (except private profile sellers, back in the glider days) Ever made money of off something that anyone can make. Hawker (for example) Never made money off of Athene, (his Pally CC for Glider) really it people need to learn, instead of being so god dammed idiotic, People Read, Learn, Question things, Make things, take shit apart, break things. learn how things work, instead of just complaining and tossing it out, and getting a new one.