A good Mage CC

[syn3]

Hello everyone,

as a Mage botter, i have a hard life atm, because there are only a few cc's available.
And some of them have real major problems, please guys this should not sound rude, i just want to
improve the cc's and here are some tips from my side.

First of all i would make a GUI and a Specdetection just like CodenameG's Mage (CnG's Mage is by far the best Mage for HB2 lulz <3 u CnG) and then you should be able to choose what Armor to use ("Ice Armor", "Frost Armor", "Molten Armor", "Mage Armor"). This would be the first
improvement.

Also that it interrupts the cast, and then uses "Counterspell". And if using polymorph which is a good idea basically, after that you should go back with the mob if you want to frostnova it (maybe a disable button in the GUI?), because otherwise you will break the sheep.

Always cool functions are, use of Potions, Frost/Fireward, Food detection, Use of the Insignia if snared/rooted, use of trinkets (i know there is a plugin out for that), use of managems.

Now i will come to the specs itself, note that i will only very little give hints on Arcane, because Arcane doesn't makes much sense.


Frost:
-Use of Ice Barrier when starting combat
-Trying to have the mob on range all the time
-When frostnovaed, jump back or strafe, so you don't get hit and you survive more often
-Polymorph
-use of Glyphed and Unglyphed Water Elemental
-useage of Cold Snap when a major spell is on cooldown/panic for ice barrier
-Cone of Cold usage
-Fireball! procc usage
-Ice Lance usage, but imo should only be used after a frostbolt is cast on the target so it is slowed when the deep freeze / nova breaks
(-Maybe use the Water Elemental's Frostnova? __ Don't know if possible tbh)
-Ice Block & Blink & Evocate/Potion/First Ad (Glyph of Evocation, Heal Regeneration) when nearly dead
-Use Icy Veins
-Use of Fire Blast ofc and so on
-Usa Mana Shield if Mana is low

Ok that were my basic thoughts of ice mage levling. Now on with fire:

Fire:
-Usage of Combustion
-Usage of Scorch 3x to see if "Hot Streak" gets triggered, otherwise go with FB/FFB
-Usage of Blast Wave (+Dragons Breath maybe)
-Usage of Dragons Breath
-Hot Streak procc Usage
-Frostnova to keep them back (+Ice Lance)
-Usa Mana Shield if the character get's hit too hard/often
(-Use of Firestarter! Procc, dunno if possible )
-Polymorph
-Same as the frostnova thing here, being careful with dragons breath / blast wave when there are mobs in range
-Ice Block & Blink & Evocate/Potion/First Ad ....
-Maybe a mode to use living bomb on adds

Ok i have to admit fire is much harder because you have much less defense

Arcane:
-Use of PoM
-Use of Arcane Power
-Use of Slow(!)
-Missle Barrage Procc
-Frostnova to keep them back (+Ice Lance)
-Polymorph
-Ice Block & Blink & Evocate/Potion/First Ad ....
-Usa Mana Shield if the character get's hit too hard/often


Ok but there are HB sided problems:

-If you polymorph a target hb doesn't get the target back
-If you suddently get aggro from a Mob, it always tries to shot down a other mob which he falsely used as aggroed mob
-Delays while looting/casting spells
-GUI Problems
-Navmesh problems



Ok that was it from my side, this should be to help developers/everyone interrested in mage..., this is not ment to be rude,
i really appreciate that hard work that the CC Dev's and the bot programmers spent on this bot.

best regards

~syn3/alchemist

 

[Xploit]

Frost:
-Use of Ice Barrier when starting combat
-Trying to have the mob on range all the time
-When frostnovaed, jump back or strafe, so you don't get hit and you survive more often
-Polymorph
-use of Glyphed and Unglyphed Water Elemental
-useage of Cold Snap when a major spell is on cooldown/panic for ice barrier
-Cone of Cold usage
-Fireball! procc usage
-Ice Lance usage, but imo should only be used after a frostbolt is cast on the target so it is slowed when the deep freeze / nova breaks
(-Maybe use the Water Elemental's Frostnova? __ Don't know if possible tbh)
-Ice Block & Blink & Evocate/Potion/First Ad (Glyph of Evocation, Heal Regeneration) when nearly dead
-Use Icy Veins
-Use of Fire Blast ofc and so on
-Usa Mana Shield if Mana is low

ProjectE does most of that

 

[syn3]

ProjectE does most of that

This is basically right, and Project E is good itself, but the delays, frost nova, polymorph error, which i reported in the beta 6 thread are more HB side.

With this thread, i want to bring attention to these problems too...

best regards

~syn3/alchemist

 

[CodenameG]

so wtf syn, ive been sitting in chat almost a week with you now, and instead of telling me you decide to make a thread, that i can only take as attacking my work.

the Gui for the armor selections since HB2 the GUI has been fucked, i had to completely redesinge it and its still not working correcly, however i did make thoese options, wether or not you where able to config them in beta 6 is a diffrent story because of honorbuddy problems.

fire and frost warding are lost arts, and are getting removed in cataclysm, so theres no point in adding them now.

as for the specs, fire needs a complete redesign, arcane is perfect for level 70+ and thats what its ment for. and frost i think i pretty good, i havent had anyone complain about frost spec.

as for the dam poly and the frost nova, unless you can tell me how im suppose to move a the polyed mob out of the range of frost nova without back peddling, theres no solution for this.

right now im overloaded, i have project e and its on the back burner till my priest dings 80 and illl just chop the fucking legs off of ecliptor since im getting no feedback on it, and no one gives a shit. or i get these dam side projects off the ground, things like Dual spec switching, Advanced Battleground logic, Improved RaF party options, and Portal and Hearthstone Short cut routines. really this thread sould of been in for CC release form, not here.

 

[Tony]

so wtf syn, ive been sitting in chat almost a week with you now, and instead of telling me you decide to make a thread, that i can only take as attacking my work.

he is free to make a thread,thats why the forums are
and i cant see the attack

 

[CodenameG]

he is free to make a thread,thats why the forums are
and i cant see the attack

well instead of the thread being about all the current mage classes, its all about my cc and how much its sucking.

 

[Tony]

well instead of the thread being about all the current mage classes, its all about my cc and how much its sucking.

"i have a hard life atm, because there are only a few cc's available.
And some of them have real major problems, please guys this should not sound rude, i just want to
improve the cc's and here are some tips from my side."

his words

 

[CodenameG]

"i have a hard life atm, because there are only a few cc's available.
And some of them have real major problems, please guys this should not sound rude, i just want to
improve the cc's and here are some tips from my side."

his words

theres a difference between constructive criticism, and public humiliation, now will you please close the thread. so i can get back to worrying about more important things.
thank you

 

[Tony]

theres a difference between constructive criticism, and public humiliation, now will you please close the thread. so i can get back to worrying about more important things.
thank you

cmon Code...its not a public humilation,dont feel like that
every user has got his own opinion about CC's and we all know that your CC's are famous on our forums

 

[khurune]

This is why i don't give feedback to cc's anymore. Its either ignored or taken personally

 

[syn3]

Ok i'm sorry i didn't want to step on someones toes.

It was more like what would be cool to see in the future, and like i said i'm not a programmer so i can't decide what is possible and what not.

and as i wrote:

First of all i would make a GUI and a Specdetection just like  CodenameG's Mage (CnG's Mage is by far the best Mage for HB2 lulz <3 u  CnG)

this was serious and i am using your cc.

best regards

~syn3/alchemist

 

[Tony]

Ok i'm sorry i didn't want to step on someones toes.

It was more like what would be cool to see in the future, and like i said i'm not a programmer so i can't decide what is possible and what not.

and as i wrote:

First of all i would make a GUI and a Specdetection just like  CodenameG's Mage (CnG's Mage is by far the best Mage for HB2 lulz <3 u  CnG)

this was serious and i am using your cc.

best regards

~syn3/alchemist

its ok syn,your post is ok

 

[CBK]

Well I am using the Mage CC that Codename G made.. it works.. does what i need it to do. Course my mage dies a lot more then any of my other bots.. but i think its the class and not the CC. Or even the mobs I am attacking in my profiles i selected.. some mobs are worse then others.. not spread out.. or whatever.

Hell I am glad there is a CC.. better then hand leveling.. I am glad you share the code.. I make adjustments to make it fit the way I use it.. if it doesnt work.. use something else.. they all work.. you just have mess with it

 

[dayloon]

It is difficult to make constructive criticism without the dev taking it as a personal attack. I once made a similar post about the priest classes and had my ass torn open. I suppose if you've spent ages developing something, it's easy to get worked up about critics.

But back on topic.....I personally am having quite good results with the mage CC that came with HB2. For some reason project E stands around a lot between attacks and delays before moving on, nothing in the logs indicate why it's doing this though. But the standard Mage CC is working great at the moment. Wish i knew how to make the water elemental permanent though

But the work you do CodenameG is fantastic and hugely appreciated. *group hug*

 

[CodenameG]

Ok i'm sorry i didn't want to step on someones toes.

It was more like what would be cool to see in the future, and like i said i'm not a programmer so i can't decide what is possible and what not.

and as i wrote:

First of all i would make a GUI and a Specdetection just like  CodenameG's Mage (CnG's Mage is by far the best Mage for HB2 lulz <3 u  CnG)

this was serious and i am using your cc.

best regards

~syn3/alchemist

look, im overworked, and overloaded with shit to to. im trying to make some really cool shit and for what, so i get called a faggot in the chat, and on top of everything get thrown into this huge Dll debate bull shit, so people like the poster above can now make changes to fix issues themselves and not report back so i can integrate those changes into the main release. its all bullshit, and im getting sick of it. both physically and emotional.
now will you please LOCK the thread tony.

 

[Tony]

i will lock it but
if you are getting sick or tired or you dont like the decision about dll's you are free to stop development
but if you wanna continue your work you have to handle good or bad critisism