5 accs perm banned - unusual GM reply to appeal

[lawl]

EU accts mining in Uldum and Twilight highlands (private profiles)
Will write a little more on this soon.

Greetings,

Your account was permanently suspended due to use of third party programs, which is against the Terms of Use (http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/termsofuse.html), the relevant part of which can be found in this article :

http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article/50078

When running, [B]the World of Warcraft client may monitor your computer's random access memory (ram) and/or cpu processes for unauthorized third party programs running concurrently with World of Warcraft.[/B] An unauthorized third party program as used herein shall be defined as any third party software, including without limitation any addon or mod, that in Blizzard Entertainment's sole determination:

I. enables or facilitates cheating of any type;

II. allows users to modify or hack the World of Warcraft interface, environment, and/or experience in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard Entertainment; or

III. intercepts, mines, or otherwise collects information from or through World of Warcraft. In the event that World of Warcraft detects an unauthorized third party program, Blizzard may

a) communicate information back to blizzard entertainment, including without limitation your account name, details about the unauthorized third party program detected, and the time and date the unauthorized third party program was detected; and/or

b) exercise any or all of its rights under section 6 of this agreement, with or without prior notice to the user.

The use of such programs or files is clearly unfair to the World of Warcraft community playing regularly and is not tolerated on our servers.

Following a review of your case, we can confirm that such program has been used on several occasions by your account, and that the subsequent action taken is appropriate. We would not look to enter into any further communications on this issue as the matter is now considered closed.

Please be advised that sanctions in relation to this matter will not be taken against any new accounts you may wish to create, but the characters from your cancelled account will remain irretrievable. If you should wish to create a new account, you will need to obtain a new and unused CD key with a retail copy of the game.

If you wish to review our current Rules and Policies, they can be found at:

http://eu.blizzard.com/support/index/wow_policy
http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/termsofuse.html

Sincerely,
************
Game Master
Blizzard Entertainment

 

[Battler624]

WoW may monitor my PC? yea right if they ban me i can go to the court.

 

[Toney001]

We've seen that email before.

I honestly don't believe it. If they COULD monitor our rams and they COULD detect HB, they'd automatically ban us all instantly.

Don't believe everything they say.

Sorry for your loss. Hope you get them back.

 

[CodenameG]

yes they monitor your RAM, but honorbuddy knows the incoming bytes sent by warden and kills them, this is why when warden is updated all bots go offline or youll get flagged and then banned

wow / warden only cares what happens inside of world of Warcraft's Address Space, because we use a particular method of injecting, its impossible for blizzard to detect, we're NOT going in and using cheat engine to modify memory values (or some other stupid memory editing tool), so they can monitor all they want, and they wont find anything.

 

[pontius001]

The scan/warden is all old news about checking your computer... That wasn't the issue for you. You had 5 accounts farming the same areas? All I have to say is...

Keys to botting without getting into trouble?

Moderation and keep it quiet.

The moderation gets 99% of the botters since they are greedy. They will harvest the same area 24/7 and some will even report other bots just so they can get the spoils instead. Limit yourself/account/character activity to look like a regular casual player. Not one that will do 12 to 18 (or more) hours everyday

Keeping it quiet is a hard thing. Your characters level pretty good pace if you do the questing. However, you could easily find yourself with loads of products/gold. This draws a slight flag. And if you ever try to get rid of it in large quantities, you can almost guarantee that you will be calling in for account support.

This ban seems to be yet just another one of those that falls into these categories. Nothing new for moderate botters to be worried about.

pontius

 

[Croga]

wow / warden only cares what happens inside of world of Warcraft's Address Space

^^ this.
Since EU privacy laws prevent them from monitoring anything else, there's no way they could detect *anything* outside of WoW address space.

 

[ShortRound]

As a regular player I did play for 12-18 hours every day, why do you think I bought a botting program?

 

[swiny]

wow / warden only cares what happens inside of world of Warcraft's Address Space, because we use a particular method of injecting, its impossible for blizzard to detect, we're NOT going in and using cheat engine to modify memory values (or some other stupid memory editing tool), so they can monitor all they want, and they wont find anything.

.............................. Really CNG.
really.....

 

[CodenameG]

.............................. Really CNG.
really.....

YEA, REALLY.
warden only cares about whats going on inside of world of warcraft, it is IN FACT illegal for them to check processes or read memory addresses outside of World of Warcraft. since we dont do memory writes, there's no chance warden can detect honorbuddy. if you think im lying feel fee and bug apoc so he can laugh at you.

 

[swiny]

Cng, you know NOTHING about injecting.
And it defently shows.

Your talking to some one who makes standalone wow bots.
Learn how injecting works before u make UTTER stupid comments

 

[Tony]

Your talking to some one who makes standalone wow bots.

Gratz but that doesnt mean necessarily that you know how warden works

Learn how injecting works before u make UTTER stupid comments

insulting people is not the way,these boards are free for everyone who wants to express an opinion
thats your first and final warning

i hope that i was clear enough

 

[wownerds]

Indeed, that was quite arrogant.

 

[Toney001]

Didn't swiny make that hack (sn0ball) that got detected in like a day?

Enviado desde mi GT-I9003L usando Tapatalk

 

[Soulbound13]

Heh, a case of 'it's not what you're saying, but how you're saying it' I think
<3 G and <3 Swiny too... Botters in arms. Peace, yo!

 

[tomcruise]

According to someone on ownedcore warden does scan processes outside of the wow address space, which fits in with what this GM said, I've not tested it for obvious reasons but apparently if you try to load the game with cheatengine you get some kind of error/warning. My theory is that the reason people with multiple accounts are the ones that have mostly been caught is because they are loading WoW while HB is already running, HB makes no effort to hide itself from the process list so potentially Blizz could detect people running multiple instances of the game on a single OS. This is pure speculation though.

 

[Non Quixote]

According to someone on ownedcore warden does scan processes outside of the wow address space, which fits in with what this GM said, I've not tested it for obvious reasons but apparently if you try to load the game with cheatengine you get some kind of error/warning. My theory is that the reason people with multiple accounts are the ones that have mostly been caught is because they are loading WoW while HB is already running, HB makes no effort to hide itself from the process list so potentially Blizz could detect people running multiple instances of the game on a single OS. This is pure speculation though.

Initially Warden did scan outside of the game memory. It was caught picking through pretty much everything. The resulting 4 billion decibel outcry from a very angry gaming/watchdog community made Blizzy rethink what looked to become a PR disaster. They decided to allow Warden to scan only that game memory that was occupied by WoW, although when you digitally agree to the TOS/EULA you grant them permission to scan essentially anything that they want to.

There was never a lawsuit to force them to do this, (pretty sure that it's not illegal if you grant them permission) it was a voluntary scaleback of Warden.

If Warden was detecting HB as it was launched for multiple accounts, that would be an automatic detection. Automatic detection=we all die.

We're not all dead.

 

[Tiama]

There was never a lawsuit to force them to do this, (pretty sure that it's not illegal if you grant them permission) it was a voluntary scaleback of Warden.

Yes and no, they can scan your computer as long as the process is visible to the os. But if it's visible you can block it or give back the right answers. For example Assassins Creed or Battlefield 3 want a constant internet connection. 3 days after relaese the first hacks were available and working. Would be easy to to with Warden as well.

Now why not hide it, make it undetectable for the os? The user agreed to the EULA, so no problem right?

But that is the major problem for Blizzard. They would have to change system files or inject it like a rootkit. And the copyrights to those things doesn't belong to the user so he can't agree to it. They belong to Microsoft or other firms. Sony had a copy protection system that worked like a rootkit and was sued by Microsoft. Microsoft wanted 1000$ per computer license, where the rootkit was installed. It was settled out of court and no firm tried that ever again.

 

[Dakra1985]

Hi guys. So i bought an account and used SOr on it. Im failed with the free migration and wrote a ticket from my main account. I botted with it till a few days ago. Can except a ban? They really know whar i did with my chars ( farming and grinding ) ?

Im sry for my crap english, i hope you guys understand what i mean.

Edit: i didnt botting in the last few days, coz the ticket.

 

[Croga]

There was never a lawsuit to force them to do this, (pretty sure that it's not illegal if you grant them permission)

The Law >>> EULA.
In this case The Law says Blizz cannot do it and the EULA cannot go against that law.

 

[Non Quixote]

The Law >>> EULA.
In this case The Law says Blizz cannot do it and the EULA cannot go against that law.

I completely agree that whatever the law says in your area of residence supercedes an unlawful EULA. However, we all signed the TOS that gives Blizz permission to scan pretty much whatever they want, as they did when WoW first launched. If you give a computer tech license to poke through your computer, you can't press charges against him when he pokes through your computer.

Precisely which law are you referring to that states that Blizzard cannot enforce their EULA?