10 accounts got banned

[Brumilito]

1) Was using gatherbuddy, dungeonbuddy and quest grinds.
2) Last version.
3) Last time ~16.30 GMT 04.02.2014
4) Some random generated hotspot lists for gathering, kick's for dungeon levelling and self-modified botanist's profiles for instances (big up to them)
5) Singular routine; deathknights, paladins, rogues.
6) Talented, autoequip, mailgold, MiR.
7) ~23\7.
8) Watched them all for 50% of the time for sure.
9) ~1k auctions per day on the bank account, none on the others.
10) Did you Use Any Other Bots, Hacks, or Mods? -
11) Gold was sold from the bank account with no ingame chat, just buying random expensive auctions.
12) 5 different EU russian realms.
13) All of them were new actual paid accounts.

Just wanted to share my pain with you guys.

My pigs were doing random shit in different locations, one of them wasn't even botting (i was doing some mail-job from my bank one), some of them were bought today and just started doing quests, some - month ago. The thing is when somebody keeps an eye on you he doesn't care and just shuts down everything what comes from your ip or mac-adress or whatever.

Sorry for my english and good luck, my war is over.

 

[themadman]

i think you're main problem is = too much bots at same time...

 

[h4xxor]

i am sorry for your loose. i think one of your acc must have been flagged and a mad gm scanned your ip or pc

 

[Brumilito]

Not sure what are you talking about tbh, just a sad bear there.

What about "too much bots" - why having 10k per day if you can have 100k?

 

[standza]

Not sure what are you talking about tbh, just a sad bear there.

What about "too much bots" - why having 10k per day if you can have 100k?

And not to pay for HB licence even if you have 100k per day? FU!
Lot of us invest money in this. For HB licences, different IPs and other things.

 

[Brumilito]

Wtf are you started here, i actually have HB licence keys and am grateful for their work. Show some sympathy...
Ip doesn't mean shit if you have one netcard and single connection.

 

[standza]

Look I am sorry for your lost. It is not only about that. It is about too much bots on sam IP. You are an example of IP ban. I am sure if you try to apeal, they gona back to you some of them with 72 hrs.
Good Luck!

 

[Killingspree]

This happened to me as well, with 15 accounts. blizzard is looking at all acounts coming from same IP. if some accounts dont bot but have "participated" in gold selling, permanent ban to those to. i got none back

 

[Aion]

Sorry for your loss buddy. Now the best for you is to learn your lessons and start from scratch, doing it much faster and better!

1st. Clean your net- Renew IP, contact ISP, or even change it.

For example my last ISP change my IP every few sec. It just use gateway with hundreds of dynamic IPs, assigned to every net connection the programs made within my computer, so I technically can run 100+ wow sessions at the same time, all with diffferent dynamic IP, but with same subnet ofc :/

2nd. Clean your PC. Format your system drive with fresh Windows, and download+install fresh! WoW Client, dont copy the old one. You can copy the addons+ HB stuff ofc! That way, Blizzard cannot link your newly registered accounts with the old banned IP.

3rd. Start building your new farm slowly at the start. Not registering 5 or even 10-20 accounts from your fresh IP today, and start botting from the first minute. Reg 3-4 accounts instead, then 3-4 tommorow etc, or do it in the same time, but from different place - you can use any public wi-fi network around for that sole purpose, to register them from different IP.

The same apply if you use digital licenses from Blizzard store: (Now called shop) Use different payment methods, or use variations - like pay 3 acc. with Paypal, and 3 with the linked Credit card to them, etc.

4th. in row, but not less important: Try to separate as much as possible, as long its suitable and acceptable enough for your situation:
Obtain more than 1x PC or use Virtual machines to separate the bots as much as possible. That way, if not all of the bots use the same IP, for Blizzard will be harder to link them all and shuts you down in 1 hit! The same apply, if you have bank/ah trade chars on different realms - try to use 1 bank account per realm, not 1 for all of them etc. but thats usually common sence after all

Good luck on the reborn!

 

[saltychip]

#thedream time to be reborn from flames!

 

[Teksun]

Sorry for your loss buddy. Now the best for you is to learn your lessons and start from scratch, doing it much faster and better!

1st. Clean your net- Renew IP, contact ISP, or even change it.

For example my last ISP change my IP every few sec. It just use gateway with hundreds of dynamic IPs, assigned to every net connection the programs made within my computer, so I technically can run 100+ wow sessions at the same time, all with diffferent dynamic IP, but with same subnet ofc :/

2nd. Clean your PC. Format your system drive with fresh Windows, and download+install fresh! WoW Client, dont copy the old one. You can copy the addons+ HB stuff ofc! That way, Blizzard cannot link your newly registered accounts with the old banned IP.

3rd. Start building your new farm slowly at the start. Not registering 5 or even 10-20 accounts from your fresh IP today, and start botting from the first minute. Reg 3-4 accounts instead, then 3-4 tommorow etc, or do it in the same time, but from different place - you can use any public wi-fi network around for that sole purpose, to register them from different IP.

The same apply if you use digital licenses from Blizzard store: (Now called shop) Use different payment methods, or use variations - like pay 3 acc. with Paypal, and 3 with the linked Credit card to them, etc.

4th. in row, but not less important: Try to separate as much as possible, as long its suitable and acceptable enough for your situation:
Obtain more than 1x PC or use Virtual machines to separate the bots as much as possible. That way, if not all of the bots use the same IP, for Blizzard will be harder to link them all and shuts you down in 1 hit! The same apply, if you have bank/ah trade chars on different realms - try to use 1 bank account per realm, not 1 for all of them etc. but thats usually common sence after all

Good luck on the reborn!

I'm not sure what you're talking about from a networking standpoint. You ISP can change your EXTERNAL IP address, but you cannot assign multiple external IP addresses to different WoW clients. Every network has 1 external IP for the most part. If you want to change this, you need to use a Virtual Privacy network (V P N) that can forward all traffic through a server that isn't on your network. These services typically cost a monthly fee, usually $6-$10. Subnetting is just a way to make different LOCAL networks, but this does not create different EXTERNAL IP addresses.

As for the fresh install, I'd recommend something different. Use a program like VMware to run a Virtual Machine on your system. This is like emulating a new OS on an existing OS (Like a gameboy emulator). This way you can keep everything separate and each VM can run their own Virtual Privacy Network (V P N) and not all run off the same IP, V P N or not. I'd also recommend setting up something like Open*** watchdog, a program that will disconnect all programs from the internet if your V P N ever disconnects randomly. This eliminates the risk of having your real IP address exposed for even a second.

All of this will take up A LOT of resources if you plan to run 10 instances of WoW, so if I were you I'd start off slow and work on getting some money to invest in a barebones VM box... a computer that is built specifically to run a lot of VM instances.

 

[Aion]

I'm not sure what you're talking about from a networking standpoint. You ISP can change your EXTERNAL IP address, but you cannot assign multiple external IP addresses to different WoW clients. Every network has 1 external IP for the most part. If you want to change this, you need to use a Virtual Privacy network (V P N) that can forward all traffic through a server that isn't on your network. These services typically cost a monthly fee, usually $6-$10. Subnetting is just a way to make different LOCAL networks, but this does not create different EXTERNAL IP addresses.

As for the fresh install, I'd recommend something different. Use a program like VMware to run a Virtual Machine on your system. This is like emulating a new OS on an existing OS (Like a gameboy emulator). This way you can keep everything separate and each VM can run their own Virtual Privacy Network (V P N) and not all run off the same IP, V P N or not. I'd also recommend setting up something like Open*** watchdog, a program that will disconnect all programs from the internet if your V P N ever disconnects randomly. This eliminates the risk of having your real IP address exposed for even a second.

All of this will take up A LOT of resources if you plan to run 10 instances of WoW, so if I were you I'd start off slow and work on getting some money to invest in a barebones VM box... a computer that is built specifically to run a lot of VM instances.

Its pretty simple, every time a program connect to external server, my ISP's router assign different dynamic IP to it from its pool: xxx.xxx.xxx.1-xxx.xxx.xxx.255, so its pretty unlikely 2x wow sessions from my computer to share the same IP address.

Regarding the fresh install, there was thread here, I think in the Demonbuddy section, where a humble forum member described how Blizzard is linking your game account with the computer you run via the game client. It use the client installation ID as label, and they could link all the game clients, at least logged from the very same WoW client. Simple as that :/

 

[Teksun]

Its pretty simple, every time a program connect to external server, my ISP's router assign different dynamic IP to it from its pool: xxx.xxx.xxx.1-xxx.xxx.xxx.255, so its pretty unlikely 2x wow sessions from my computer to share the same IP address.

Regarding the fresh install, there was thread here, I think in the Demonbuddy section, where a humble forum member described how Blizzard is linking your game account with the computer you run via the game client. It use the client installation ID as label, and they could link all the game clients, at least logged from the very same WoW client. Simple as that :/

Those are LOCAL IP addresses you are thinking about. A network has a LOCAL IP for everything that connects to a network. However, once it goes out to another server, it goes through a single EXTERNAL IP address. There isn't enough possible IPv4 addresses to give every user that many IP addresses. If so, you buy entire blocks, which is a enterprise level purchase. Think it like this, your External IP address is your street address. Your Mailman (ISP) takes the mail(packets) to your house (external IP), then the mailman(ISP) needs to know who in the house need the packet. This is where LOCAL IP addresses come it. It tells your router where to send the packets within the network. Does it need to go to your phone? Laptop? Desktop? WiFi enabled Toaster? If you just had an external IP, the packet would have no idea which device to go to. And, as I said before, there isn't enough IPv4 addresses to assign each device with their own EXTERNAL IP address... Just like there isn't enough addresses in the world for each and every human on earth. Furthermore, Local IP addresses are not assigned to each program. It is assigned to each device. This is why I suggested a VM, because VMs get different Local IP addresses.

I was not saying you shouldn't do a fresh install. I was suggesting VMs purely from a networking perspective (as described above), because reinstalling your OS & WoW client and then running them all off the same client and OS instance is just as bad as running it off a client that is flagged. I mean honestly, 10 instances of WoW form the same computer? You can't even claim multiboxing at that point.

 

[Aion]

Those are LOCAL IP addresses you are thinking about. A network has a LOCAL IP for everything that connects to a network. However, once it goes out to another server, it goes through a single EXTERNAL IP address. There isn't enough possible IPv4 addresses to give every user that many IP addresses. If so, you buy entire blocks, which is a enterprise level purchase. Think it like this, your External IP address is your street address. Your Mailman (ISP) takes the mail(packets) to your house (external IP), then the mailman(ISP) needs to know who in the house need the packet. This is where LOCAL IP addresses come it. It tells your router where to send the packets within the network. Does it need to go to your phone? Laptop? Desktop? WiFi enabled Toaster? If you just had an external IP, the packet would have no idea which device to go to. And, as I said before, there isn't enough IPv4 addresses to assign each device with their own EXTERNAL IP address... Just like there isn't enough addresses in the world for each and every human on earth. Furthermore, Local IP addresses are not assigned to each program. It is assigned to each device. This is why I suggested a VM, because VMs get different Local IP addresses.

I was not saying you shouldn't do a fresh install. I was suggesting VMs purely from a networking perspective (as described above), because reinstalling your OS & WoW client and then running them all off the same client and OS instance is just as bad as running it off a client that is flagged. I mean honestly, 10 instances of WoW form the same computer? You can't even claim multiboxing at that point.

You really do huge effort to dodge what my ISP is doing, dont you? Instead of trying to theorycraft, explain IP basics etc. and read between the lines, please, read it directly as-is!

My ISP usually assign different GLOBAL IP to any of my WoW sessions, and they are not dedicated, rofl! Im not really a common enterpise level customer with my 8euro/month line, hahaha! Actually thats usual shared of course but dynamic IPs!

For easy understanding, just think it that way - the ISP Router change all its customers EXTERNAL IP every 10sec, not only mine, but everyones - its better now? So when I connect with my WOW1 to servers, I use one IP, 10sec later when I connect WOW2, the router give me different EXTERNAL IP from its pool!

Peace out!

P.S. Im not master degree in computer architecture, neither in Cisco routers etc, so cannot explain you WHY it does happen, but only whats the final result for myself as customer

 

[Teksun]

You really do huge effort to dodge what my ISP is doing, dont you? Instead of trying to theorycraft, explain IP basics etc. and read between the lines, please, read it directly as-is!

My ISP usually assign different GLOBAL IP to any of my WoW sessions, and they are not dedicated, rofl! Im not really a common enterpise level customer with my 8euro/month line, hahaha! Actually thats usual shared of course but dynamic IPs!

For easy understanding, just think it that way - the ISP Router change all its customers EXTERNAL IP every 10sec, not only mine, but everyones - its better now? So when I connect with my WOW1 to servers, I use one IP, 10sec later when I connect WOW2, the router give me different EXTERNAL IP from its pool!

Peace out!

P.S. Im not master degree in computer architecture, neither in Cisco routers etc, so cannot explain you WHY it does happen, but only whats the final result for myself as customer

But that's the thing, your ISP is NOT doing what you think you're doing. IP addresses are not assigned to programs, and external IP addresses are not assigned to machines. What happens is when you start WoW1, wait 10 seconds, and then start WoW2... WoW1 gets the same IP address as WoW2. You're not avoiding anything because so long as the your WoW client and Blizzard servers are in contact, they are updating the IP. If you're theory was true, Blizzard wouldn't be able to communicate to your WoW1 server anymore, because the new external IP address does not belong to you anymore.

My methods do require a lot of work... Because it is the only way you can be 100% sure you will not leak your real IP address. Other than this, you have offsite options, but those require more work and often are illegal.

If you're do not have training in this field and don't have any idea how this technology works, then why on earth are you arguing with someone who DOES have experience, training, and does this for a living? Much less be disrespectful of someone who is trying to teach you something and help you not get all your accounts banned like OP.

 

[Macatho]

Sorry for your loss buddy. Now the best for you is to learn your lessons and start from scratch, doing it much faster and better!

1st. Clean your net- Renew IP, contact ISP, or even change it.

For example my last ISP change my IP every few sec. It just use gateway with hundreds of dynamic IPs, assigned to every net connection the programs made within my computer, so I technically can run 100+ wow sessions at the same time, all with diffferent dynamic IP, but with same subnet ofc :/

2nd. Clean your PC. Format your system drive with fresh Windows, and download+install fresh! WoW Client, dont copy the old one. You can copy the addons+ HB stuff ofc! That way, Blizzard cannot link your newly registered accounts with the old banned IP.

3rd. Start building your new farm slowly at the start. Not registering 5 or even 10-20 accounts from your fresh IP today, and start botting from the first minute. Reg 3-4 accounts instead, then 3-4 tommorow etc, or do it in the same time, but from different place - you can use any public wi-fi network around for that sole purpose, to register them from different IP.

The same apply if you use digital licenses from Blizzard store: (Now called shop) Use different payment methods, or use variations - like pay 3 acc. with Paypal, and 3 with the linked Credit card to them, etc.

4th. in row, but not less important: Try to separate as much as possible, as long its suitable and acceptable enough for your situation:
Obtain more than 1x PC or use Virtual machines to separate the bots as much as possible. That way, if not all of the bots use the same IP, for Blizzard will be harder to link them all and shuts you down in 1 hit! The same apply, if you have bank/ah trade chars on different realms - try to use 1 bank account per realm, not 1 for all of them etc. but thats usually common sence after all

Good luck on the reborn!

You forgot to tell him to put on the tinfoil hat.

 

[hungdragon]

Anyone back up teksun?

 

[GK2014]

No. He's wrong. Plain and simple. As stated - your ISP gives you 1 IP address (external). As stated - there are simply not enough IP addresses using IPv4 because of how it works and the way it was designed. Take it from someone who has an IT background; numerous certifications and over 25 years in telecommunications & networking.

Does it make me an expert? No. More informed than the average person? Yes.

 

[-M_M-]

1) Was using gatherbuddy, dungeonbuddy and quest grinds.
7) ~23\7.
8) Watched them all for 50% of the time for sure.

Unless you change your habits, you can waste more money and have 10 more accounts banned. It's easy to get greedy and careless when you have a bot that can do all of the work for you, but if you take precautions and pace yourself, you'll get much more out of it.