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Why so many accounts were banned if the Db is not detectable?

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Blizzard did a splendid job with the last banwave. Paranoia everywhere. Not even 2 pages worth of bans, we had those type of mini banswaves regulary prior to 18/12 and nobody freaked, but now theres jumbojambo the sky is falling in every other thread.
 
192 bots? Lets say you had acess to a "search" index sort of at blizzards database off characters currently online, okey so you sit there, chilling, still baked from yesterdays huge bonghit and 5 hours diablo 3 session ( Yes blizzard employes enjoys some grinding on their own, but ofc with weed otherwhise its boring as fuck seeing they sit with that shit at work), lets go for characters that been online more then 12 hours, WOW thats alot, 100 k, but most of em been in menus for 10 hours +, hmm well lets manually check into that shit, boom one dude been online for 3 days hmm weird, check into it, BAN. that took 5 min, next char, 3 min. etc etc.

Have NO idea if this its how its done. But i can just imagine how easy it is to detect people botting without scanning programs, 192 bots?? And how many do you think is running 24/7? 3000-4000 from DB only? Then you got five other bottingprograms and they are getting bans to. I mean cmon, in two weeks time jay wilsons 15 year old son can do some extra work banning botters, and he would suck ass if he didnt get to 192 UNIQUE botters.

Detectble my ass, they would ban us all if thats the case, dont give me the conspiracy theori about they want us to buy new accounts etc, they loose that money in 1 day seeing how much work they have to put into banning ppl all the time.

Thats prolly the reason why they have been laying so low untill 18/12, there is no reason for them to spend houndreds of thousands dollars on banning a couple of thousands players:S
 
Jimmy your an idiot. No one knows for sure if DB is detectable or not, but for you to say out right it's not is laughable. Okay sure, it's easy for Blizzard to do account checks on people playing 3 days straight or even 20 hours straight. They check and see okay, ya everything is the same, same path, same clicks, same port spots bla bla. I'll give you that, but what about the people that got banned then re-started a new D3 account and got banned after two hours? Using new IP's new set ups, new accounts 2 hours botting time, and banned? Detectable does not = EVERYONE BANNED AT ONCE. and its not a conspiracy theory its commen sense and good business. Why leave no doubt in anyone's head that the program is detected and lose out on all the money from people remaking new accounts over, and over? When they can keep making hand over fists with people buying accounts thinking, they were just one of the unlucky ones?
 
This frenzy defense of DB is not helpful at all. The op razed up a question, how do they detect them, I am not saying they don't manual check every account ... who knows, but if they don't do it manual maybe it's ok to raze some questions and have a discussion on it, I don't understand why some people get so upset if questions like this are asked.

And I don't think every one that got banned posted here ... when i got banned I didn't made a topic with there useless form.
 
ritesxxx said:
Jimmy your an idiot. No one knows for sure if DB is detectable or not, but for you to say out right it's not is laughable. Okay sure, it's easy for Blizzard to do account checks on people playing 3 days straight or even 20 hours straight. They check and see okay, ya everything is the same, same path, same clicks, same port spots bla bla. I'll give you that, but what about the people that got banned then re-started a new D3 account and got banned after two hours? Using new IP's new set ups, new accounts 2 hours botting time, and banned? Detectable does not = EVERYONE BANNED AT ONCE. and its not a conspiracy theory its commen sense and good business. Why leave no doubt in anyone's head that the program is detected and lose out on all the money from people remaking new accounts over, and over? When they can keep making hand over fists with people buying accounts thinking, they were just one of the unlucky ones?
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Detectable DOES = everyone banned at once. Jesus christ. 192 banned out of how many THOUSANDS of accounts on DB alone? You've clearly never been a part of a REAL ban wave.
 
DETECTABLE=They know who is botting. How they choose to proceed with that information is up to them. Fucking idiot
 
ritesxxx said:
DETECTABLE=They know who is botting. How they Fucking idiot
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choose to proceed with that information is up to them.

There's a major difference between patterns "detection" and actual program detection. When they detect the bot itself, warden will roll out with automatic bans. You've never been banned by Warden before, have you?

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Fucking idiot
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Meh, ran other bots at irregular intervals, no more than 8 hour a day. Bam, last big banwave took them all down.
Running pretty much 24/7 since then, and nothing yet. Sure it will come, but thats part of the game.
 
i bet those people that are got banned and others not those who are must have been farming 24/7 or on SOR account thats asking for it.
 
Mario27 said:
i bet those people that are got banned and others not those who are must have been farming 24/7 or on SOR account thats asking for it.
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I've been botting 24/7. Still no bans since the previous batch of bans.
 
my characters have done 70+ para levels without stopping for a break. 24/7 all the way.

botting is detectable (obviously cause they ban people), DB specifically is not detectable. i think this is the main point people need to understand.
 
There were reports with people that got hit after botting 2-3h, that in itself shows something is very wrong.
It really doesn't matter if this program is detectable ... if they can catch you after 1-10 h of botting that means they can catch everyone, just that for some reason they don't want to ban everyone.
 
edw said:
There were reports with people that got hit after botting 2-3h, that in itself shows something is very wrong.
It really doesn't matter if this program is detectable ... if they can catch you after 1-10 h of botting that means they can catch everyone, just that for some reason they don't want to ban everyone.
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They always have been able to ban people after small hours of botting, people just have to leave it running doing something totally unhuman for hours and bam!: flagged.

This does not have to do anything with demonbuddy.
 
macedawg said:
my characters have done 70+ para levels without stopping for a break. 24/7 all the way.

botting is detectable (obviously cause they ban people), DB specifically is not detectable. i think this is the main point people need to understand.
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To caveat off of mace, all of my barbarians are 90+ paragon level now.
 
My tinfoil hat tells me that the previous banwave was due to the beta 110 virus. As an experiment, my friend and I ran 5 bots prior to 18th December, all 24/7 on same profiles with the only difference being the version of demonbuddy used. No VMware, V-P-N, nothing. Currently, the only one that was banned was the bot running on 110. None of the other bots had used 110 for even a moment. We're planning another experiment (not too soon though) where 1 bot runs 110 for a couple of hours while another doesn't and see if it affects the speed of (the inevitable) ban.

Of course, there are plenty of other factors such as client ID, invisible mobs (let's not get started here), IP address, MAC Address, PC user name, Battle.net name, PayPal account association, Profiles, keystrokes and mouse clicks, Warden and a shit ton of other conspiracy theories like process surfing etc. And as many of the moderators and developers have said, no one knows really how Blizzard catches us botters. It's up to an individual to decide how best to protect their account, or go with a live and let live attitude in botting.

There. </tinfoil hat>
 
blizzard is putting mroe effort into detecting bots.it is like they detect the botting behaviour but not the program iteself because if it was so it was insta ban
they probably flag accounts but need to be sure manually the player is really a bot cos otherwise they would have lots of issues with banning legit players which takes time and manpower
need to take a lot more precautions and see if it is profitable or not
 
Warden works primarily by scanning your system’s memory for known markers that bots leave accessible in memory. This easily detects bots that are written by people with low-medium skills in memory hooking. The second way Warden works is through a set of queries sent to the specific areas in memory that the bot hooks into. If an invalid response is received then it flags your account for investigation. Once you are flagged they will investigate your account manually and take actions.
 
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