People saying that one of the 15% is all paypals

[fuimusbruce]

This is not true.

actually paypal does not charge 15%

from their site


Selling something

Small Fee - PayPal fees mainly apply to sellers, who pay a 2.9% transaction fee on the total sale amount plus a $0.30 fee per transaction. There are some exceptions, listed below. If you have a business, see PayPal Merchant Fees for discounted rates and other pricing info.



Sales within the US:
2.9% plus $0.30 per transaction.

Discounted Merchant Rate:
As low as 2.2% based on volume.

Discounted Rate for Eligible Nonprofits:
As low as 2.2% based on volume.

International Sales:
3.9% transaction fee plus a fixed fee based on currency received.

PayPal Here? card reader:
2.7% when you swipe a card. 3.5% plus $0.15 per transaction when you type in a card number.

 

[Bazingaw]

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[fuimusbruce]

That link you gave doesnt give sources at all. Their source is most likely blizzard in which case it is still suspect as blizzard has been known to exaggerate mislead and flat out lie about stuff before. Ive been looking for an official statement from paypal but cant find one.

Not saying that its not true, I just find it odd that they would go from a 3.9% international fee as their highest fee to at 15% fee for these transactions.

After doing several different google searches I have come up with nothing from paypal. I did a search on their site and forums and couldnt find anything from them either.

I sent them an email to see if they would give me any official information

Im not saying that what blizzard is saying isnt true, I just find it hard to believe and barring an official statement from paypal makes it even more suspect. Paypal tends to make statements about stuff like this.

Now, dont get me wrong. I love getting money for nothing (wish I could get the chicks for free too) I just would love to know if what blizzard says is true or if they really are taking a larger cut and trying to cover it up. I would even be happy if they clarified by saying "hey paypal charges us 15% to send money to your accounts and we are passing the charge onto you" But even then, I find it hard to believe paypal would charge 15% Thats why I would love an official response from paypal.

Thus far I have only seen people quoting blizzards statements except for the link you provided and like I said that one gave no sources.

But it is what it is. I still sell on rmah and am happy to get the money, has paid for car repairs stuff for my kids and tattoos. I cant complain. Im just one of those people that like to know the real truth of things.

 

[Bazingaw]

So you are saying that you do not trust the company you are playing for when they have a statement.

https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2012/06/paypal-diablo-iii-auction-house/

Need a new tinfoil hat I think yours is broken

By the way, this was less than 30 seconds on google, 1 search term, 6th item down 1st page. Yeah I think you are spending more time typing your posts than searching.

Edit - for the record Blizzard doesn't really lie, its more that they are vague for general reasons so that they can't be pinned down on certain responses. The community interprets things in such FUCKED up ways (case in point this thread you can see why things get so confusing for blizzard to deal with). I believe this was a case where it was more or less straight to the point but yet people are digging where there is nothing to be found.

For the others wondering, but why? Hes listed all the possible fees?! Well you see those are fees the regular user of paypal would see. But we technically aren't using paypal's system but blizzards system that is in partnership with paypal. So paypal has gone ahead and said okay blizzard we'll handle your transactions but we want a 15% cut since its virtual games, its risky, etc etc for whatever reasons. Now blizzard was like hmm okay so 15% cut to them, but we want a 15% cut too... well lets make it 30%.

 

[smurg]

Why make a thread over what 1 idiot said.

Obv they don't charge 15% fees, I'm sure Blizzard just charges that to cover paypal chargebacks and everything else.

 

[markn12]

Its 15% to paypal it was negotiated with blizzard for a reason. It was added for paypals overhead for tax reasons. Make no mistake though both paypal and blizzard are making out huge on this.

 

[smurg]

Its 15% to paypal it was negotiated with blizzard for a reason. It was added for paypals overhead for tax reasons. Make no mistake though both paypal and blizzard are making out huge on this.

And I'm Obama.

Get me a source.

 

[BBD90]

And I'm Obama.

Get me a source.

Not rocket science really.

15% Blizzard takes first. 15% PayPal takes on what's left over. If you try to say otherwise your and idiot.

Also both of these companies are publicly traded so you can probably find this on their financial statements or w/e they call it.

 

[LucidReality]

OP is an idiot.

 

[fuimusbruce]

So you are saying that you do not trust the company you are playing for when they have a statement.

https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2012/06/paypal-diablo-iii-auction-house/

Need a new tinfoil hat I think yours is broken

By the way, this was less than 30 seconds on google, 1 search term, 6th item down 1st page. Yeah I think you are spending more time typing your posts than searching.

Edit - for the record Blizzard doesn't really lie, its more that they are vague for general reasons so that they can't be pinned down on certain responses. The community interprets things in such FUCKED up ways (case in point this thread you can see why things get so confusing for blizzard to deal with). I believe this was a case where it was more or less straight to the point but yet people are digging where there is nothing to be found.

For the others wondering, but why? Hes listed all the possible fees?! Well you see those are fees the regular user of paypal would see. But we technically aren't using paypal's system but blizzards system that is in partnership with paypal. So paypal has gone ahead and said okay blizzard we'll handle your transactions but we want a 15% cut since its virtual games, its risky, etc etc for whatever reasons. Now blizzard was like hmm okay so 15% cut to them, but we want a 15% cut too... well lets make it 30%.

Actually no I spent a lot of time googling in fact I even emailed them. I guess I was using the wrong search terms since you were able to find it. Funny you are still acting like an ass even though I was pretty polite and explained that I just found it odd. But thanks anyways for finding that new link. That is the information I was looking for. Sorry your google powers are greater than mine in this instance. Maybe try to be more helpful instead of being an ass.

Anyways Thanks for the info, that clears things up for me on paypals end. Thats all I was really looking for and when I couldnt find an official statement from them (true by my lack of good search terms) I questioned blizzard. Because yeah they have lied about things before regardless if you want to believe that or not. But Im not going to argue that fact.

Like I said, I was looking for info couldnt find it so I posted the info I could find. Thanks for the additional info. I can change my thoughts on the matter now.

 

[fuimusbruce]

OP is an idiot.

and you are a jackass. Look we can both make useless posts.

You obviously missed my point as did others in this thread. Thats ok. My search skills sucked in this case, your guys reading comprehension skills sucked in this case. We are all entitled to make mistakes.

 

[LucidReality]

and you are a jackass. Look we can both make useless posts.

You obviously missed my point as did others in this thread. Thats ok. My search skills sucked in this case, your guys reading comprehension skills sucked in this case. We are all entitled to make mistakes.

Um no, you made yourself look like a complete moron and now trying to take it out on others.

Don't try to spread none sense without expecting to get bashed for it.

 

[MonsterMMORPG]

totally agree with op

there is no middle man in the world takes 15% cut

i still believe that blizzard takes hidden cut from paypal

 

[chutch93]

actually im sure paypal has an contract with blizzard where they get a lump sum monthly for blizzard linking their service to paypal. However those 15% fees you see getting taken out of your money are Blizzard's way of making money off of a game that does not have a subscription fee. That is most likely why they were so eager to give people who play WoW a copy for free. It's the same principle as to how a Free to Play game company makes money.

 

[stormwarr1]

And this affects us how? $1 + 15% for items. 15% + 15% for gold. We pay that, where it goes shouldn't concern us.

 

[smurg]

Not rocket science really.

15% Blizzard takes first. 15% PayPal takes on what's left over. If you try to say otherwise your and idiot.

Also both of these companies are publicly traded so you can probably find this on their financial statements or w/e they call it.

Lol have you even used Paypal? The fees are very minimal compared to 15% (really around 3%).

Just because a company uses them for mass business doesn't mean they jack up their fees 500%, it'd be the other way around really.

 

[LucidReality]

Lol have you even used Paypal? The fees are very minimal compared to 15% (really around 3%).

Just because a company uses them for mass business doesn't mean they jack up their fees 500%, it'd be the other way around really.

Um no.

There are very serious risks involved such as money-laundering issues, and this being relatively new on a large scale. PayPal needs to cover their ass, and perhaps may lower the fees later.

Otherwise, that is why you see only this larger fee on gold/gems -- easier to launder money, and yes the risk is very real. Just like the issues people had with online poker sites.

With great risk, comes greater fees.

You should also notice in your PayPal account they don't charge you any fees there to prove they have an agreement with Blizz. I personally have a business account and get charged every time except when I get money from Blizz.

 

[Diabloguy69]

totally agree with op

there is no middle man in the world takes 15% cut

i still believe that blizzard takes hidden cut from paypal

pretty much says so right here in the so called evidence


If you successfully sell something and selected PayPal to receive your proceeds, the Diablo III auction house will charge a 15% transfer fee (based on the amount being transferred). PayPal won?t charge an additional fee to receive the proceeds of that sale.

it tells you right there in black and white, D3 AH charges you a transfer fee of 15%. That is 100% independent of the $1.00 or 15% transaction fee in which D3 auction house charges (prior to paypal charge). Only a fool would think Blizzard pays 15% to move around money.

 

[Diabloguy69]

Um no.

There are very serious risks involved such as money-laundering issues, and this being relatively new on a large scale. PayPal needs to cover their ass, and perhaps may lower the fees later.

Otherwise, that is why you see only this larger fee on gold/gems -- easier to launder money, and yes the risk is very real. Just like the issues people had with online poker sites.

With great risk, comes greater fees.

You should also notice in your PayPal account they don't charge you any fees there to prove they have an agreement with Blizz. I personally have a business account and get charged every time except when I get money from Blizz.

YEah people believe this kind of crap yet voter fraud is not real right? lol wtf is the world coming to? How many people are REALLY going to launder money thru a game when there is 100s of better ways of doing it?

PS maybe you're thinking of tax evasion which can happen in any industry, hell tipped people probably evade more taxes than the rich

 

[mephuser1000]

we'll handle your transactions but we want a 15% cut since its virtual games, its risky, etc etc for whatever reasons.

Most probably along the lines of "financial risk", higher risk of default = higher charges.
For example, 19% Interest Rate on Greece Government Bond 10Y...