Paypal strategies

[Chalky]

Do any of you guys go to lengths to set up multiple paypal accounts/bank accounts to prevent botting accounts being linked by one paypal? Do you just sell all items on one account? What about pre-paid visa cards, do they work? Discuss

 

[AutomaticCoding]

If blizzard let me use RMAH, I'd use muliple paypal accounts, then use my awesome paypal-o-matic bot I coded to automatically send any money received to my main paypal, and have them with dedicated proxies for each paypal.

Thus, blizzard = can't link
Paypal = doesn't care
Me = Has money

 

[Hellcom]

If blizzard let me use RMAH, I'd use muliple paypal accounts, then use my awesome paypal-o-matic bot I coded to automatically send any money received to my main paypal, and have them with dedicated proxies for each paypal.

Thus, blizzard = can't link
Paypal = doesn't care
Me = Has money

I'm pretty sure the reason Paypal gets such a huge piece of the pot is because they're paid to care. In order to avoid botters / goldsellers doing just what you are doing now.

 

[Chalky]

If blizzard let me use RMAH, I'd use muliple paypal accounts, then use my awesome paypal-o-matic bot I coded to automatically send any money received to my main paypal, and have them with dedicated proxies for each paypal.

Thus, blizzard = can't link
Paypal = doesn't care
Me = Has money

How do you set up multiple paypals that can send money w/o multiple bank accounts?

 

[kaihaider]

I've wondered about this...

right now I just have a couple actual paypal accounts and i direct trade "sell" the items to my accounts with paypal. So I rmah all the items on paypal accounts and stockpile gold on my non-linked account to sell gold.

I'm guessing rmah commodities won't be up anytime soon...

edit:

If blizzard let me use RMAH, I'd use muliple paypal accounts, then use my awesome paypal-o-matic bot I coded to automatically send any money received to my main paypal, and have them with dedicated proxies for each paypal.

Thus, blizzard = can't link
Paypal = doesn't care
Me = Has money

epic

 

[AutomaticCoding]

How do you set up multiple paypals that can send money w/o multiple bank accounts?

Why'd you need to be verified? You can still send and receive like $13k per year without being verified. My account isn't verified and I still can receive and send payments from "Verified only" places, such as spotify, runescape, etc...

I'm pretty sure the reason Paypal gets such a huge piece of the pot is because they're paid to care. In order to avoid botters / goldsellers doing just what you are doing now.

Okay, explain to me how they'll find it:

Each Diablo 3 account has a IP
Each paypal account has a IP

These IPs are dedicated to me, no-one else shares them. I'll rent them for like $1/month per IP. Botting 6 accounts? $6/month extra, cry more.

Now, I set these IPs up on my dedicated server, that I'm already renting for other non-botting reasons, and have ports open for different IPs, E.G.

If I connect through stock *****:
DedisIP:1010 (IPort)

My IP is 1.1.1.1

DedisIP:1011 (IPort)

My IP is 1.1.1.2

Etc...

Now, each Paypal is assigned to a Diablo account, and both have the same IP. So, if Paypal and Blizzard compare their answers (I HIGHLY doubt they'll do that), then it'll confirm, and even if they don't, Blizzard won't find my other accounts (Not that I care, that's not proof that warrants a ban) and Paypal won't find my other accounts (Which I do care about, considering you're only allowed one account, I've had loads of accounts closed because of this).

Then, just code a bot using the paypal API to go on every 6 hours, acquire the current balance, and submit that to my main email as "Goods". This way, sure, I lose like an extra 5% (or whatever it is), but, now I can't be banned on the "Abuse of the gift" section of their ToS, were ever that is, been banned for that before as well.

Simplez. I probably wouldn't even assign new IPs to the diablo accounts, only the paypals. Blizzard = terrible because they're so shit at it, Paypal = terrible because they're so ban happy. A great ban would be between Blizzard and paypal.

EDIT: Terrible explanation, but, I'm eating and you're interrupting my movie

 

[Chalky]

Why'd you need to be verified? You can still send and receive like $13k per year without being verified. My account isn't verified and I still can receive and send payments from "Verified only" places, such as spotify, runescape, etc...

Strange, I just set up a 2nd paypal and they want me to attach a bank account before I can do ANY transactions. Anyhows care to share what dedicated ip provider you use? If not I understand .

 

[AutomaticCoding]

Strange, I just set up a 2nd paypal and they want me to attach a bank account before I can do ANY transactions. Anyhows care to share what dedicated ip provider you use? If not I understand .

Pretty much ANY virtual private server, dedicated server or virtual private network host offers the ability to add extra IPs for $.50 --> $5 extra. If you honestly can't find one, then, I'd just recommend buying some private stocks. I'd probably recommend that anyway, unless you already have a VPS/Dedi you're already paying for. Considering, paying like $5 per stock/month > paying like $30/month + $1 per IP for anything under like 8 IPs. Also, private stocks aren't even $5, probably more in the $1-->$3 range.


Oh, and as for the 2nd paypal, I can't be 100% sure, but did you assign and verify:
A email
A phone number (You can get 1000s of these per day, just go to stuff like vodaphone and ask for the 4 free simcard package)

I know those are the issues with GMAIL, that loads of people forget. Oh, and probably a dedicated IP couldn't hurt.

 

[Chalky]

Pretty much ANY virtual private server, dedicated server or virtual private network host offers the ability to add extra IPs for $.50 --> $5 extra. If you honestly can't find one, then, I'd just recommend buying some private stocks. I'd probably recommend that anyway, unless you already have a VPS/Dedi you're already paying for. Considering, paying like $5 per stock/month > paying like $30/month + $1 per IP for anything under like 8 IPs. Also, private stocks aren't even $5, probably more in the $1-->$3 range.


Oh, and as for the 2nd paypal, I can't be 100% sure, but did you assign and verify:
A email
A phone number (You can get 1000s of these per day, just go to stuff like vodaphone and ask for the 4 free simcard package)

I know those are the issues with GMAIL, that loads of people forget. Oh, and probably a dedicated IP couldn't hurt.

Yeah, they definitely want actual bank account information before I can transfer/gift anything. I was thinking about using a prepaid card with the direct deposit option and using that. Also (thanks by the way for helping out with this, I really appreciate it)

1. What do you mean by issues w gmail?? This is new to me.
2. Private stocks? Is that something that an ISP provides?

 

[KapitanZbik]

sorry for lame question but how do you sell gold?

 

[AutomaticCoding]

Yeah, they definitely want actual bank account information before I can transfer/gift anything. I was thinking about using a prepaid card with the direct deposit option and using that. Also (thanks by the way for helping out with this, I really appreciate it)

1. What do you mean by issues w gmail?? This is new to me.
2. Private stocks? Is that something that an ISP provides?

Issues with gmail = when mass making gmail accounts, it requires a fuck ton of verification
Private sock* (Just realized I was saying stock >.>) = http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...oBFU223oIIxAMb9xA&sig2=mrslfpocUbEmxPnMwdn0kA

 

[Hellcom]

Why'd you need to be verified? You can still send and receive like $13k per year without being verified. My account isn't verified and I still can receive and send payments from "Verified only" places, such as spotify, runescape, etc...



Okay, explain to me how they'll find it:

Each Diablo 3 account has a IP
Each paypal account has a IP

These IPs are dedicated to me, no-one else shares them. I'll rent them for like $1/month per IP. Botting 6 accounts? $6/month extra, cry more.

Now, I set these IPs up on my dedicated server, that I'm already renting for other non-botting reasons, and have ports open for different IPs, E.G.

If I connect through stock *****:
DedisIP:1010 (IPort)

My IP is 1.1.1.1

DedisIP:1011 (IPort)

My IP is 1.1.1.2

Etc...

Now, each Paypal is assigned to a Diablo account, and both have the same IP. So, if Paypal and Blizzard compare their answers (I HIGHLY doubt they'll do that), then it'll confirm, and even if they don't, Blizzard won't find my other accounts (Not that I care, that's not proof that warrants a ban) and Paypal won't find my other accounts (Which I do care about, considering you're only allowed one account, I've had loads of accounts closed because of this).

Then, just code a bot using the paypal API to go on every 6 hours, acquire the current balance, and submit that to my main email as "Goods". This way, sure, I lose like an extra 5% (or whatever it is), but, now I can't be banned on the "Abuse of the gift" section of their ToS, were ever that is, been banned for that before as well.

Simplez. I probably wouldn't even assign new IPs to the diablo accounts, only the paypals. Blizzard = terrible because they're so shit at it, Paypal = terrible because they're so ban happy. A great ban would be between Blizzard and paypal.

EDIT: Terrible explanation, but, I'm eating and you're interrupting my movie

They don't trace your IP (well, they probably do that too) they look for patterns in the money movement. For instance if you get payouts from 100 different D3 accounts to 100 different Paypal accounts and all of the money ends up in the same bank account / paypal account. This would show up on their radar.

Random guess says theyre more focused on catching hackers / RMT companies using RMAH then players with a couple of bots though. But if you transfer enough money through a single or multiple accounts you can be damn sure you will be flagged for some sort of investigation.

 

[jokersmocker99]

Do any of you guys go to lengths to set up multiple paypal accounts/bank accounts to prevent botting accounts being linked by one paypal? Do you just sell all items on one account? What about pre-paid visa cards, do they work? Discuss

Doesnt matter if its the same paypal. They ban the license not the person.

 

[Coocks]

Main account never botted. Money trace is being lost from bots accounts to main account (AH, multiple trades, etc). Buy stuff from AH, sell in RMAH. One account, one paypal. They have no real reason to ban my main account. I'm not selling 800 eur worth of items every day, so it should be fine. The surplus goes to the chinese for quick cash via moneybookers.

 

[AutomaticCoding]

They don't trace your IP (well, they probably do that too) they look for patterns in the money movement. For instance if you get payouts from 100 different D3 accounts to 100 different Paypal accounts and all of the money ends up in the same bank account / paypal account. This would show up on their radar.

Random guess says theyre more focused on catching hackers / RMT companies using RMAH then players with a couple of bots though. But if you transfer enough money through a single or multiple accounts you can be damn sure you will be flagged for some sort of investigation.

That's why you bot 6, and not 100, and for each like... 10 accounts I'd say make a new master paypal.

 

[Chalky]

That's why you bot 6, and not 100, and for each like... 10 accounts I'd say make a new master paypal.

So you are saying that you think it's ok to link 10 bnet accounts to one paypal safely?

Or you would have Each of those 10 Bnet accounts linked to their own 10 paypal accounts which dump into 1 master account, after which you would set up another master accnt etc.

 

[stormwarr1]

Well, you would have to create Paypal accounts with fake names, and I can see many problems with that if you ever need to verify yourself to Paypal.

Paypal and Blizzard will never compare your IPs lol, you can access all your Paypal accounts from the same IP, nothing wrong with that.

I do wonder if Blizz will get suss if they see 10 D3 accounts all sending real money to the same paypal

 

[Hellcom]

Well, you would have to create Paypal accounts with fake names, and I can see many problems with that if you ever need to verify yourself to Paypal.

Paypal and Blizzard will never compare your IPs lol, you can access all your Paypal accounts from the same IP, nothing wrong with that.

I do wonder if Blizz will get suss if they see 10 D3 accounts all sending real money to the same paypal

Yeah, if you don't have a credit card attached to the paypal account you can't use it. Simple as that.

 

[Chalky]

Yeah, if you don't have a credit card attached to the paypal account you can't use it. Simple as that.

I have read in some places that using a prepaid card with a direct deposit account feauture will funcion with setting up a (semi) anonymous paypal account. That information was a year old, however. Does this still work?

 

[AutomaticCoding]

Yeah, if you don't have a credit card attached to the paypal account you can't use it. Simple as that.

I have four paypal accounts, two with legitimate credit cards, four without any. All work fine, all have had $100+ in the last month.

So you are saying that you think it's ok to link 10 bnet accounts to one paypal safely?

Or you would have Each of those 10 Bnet accounts linked to their own 10 paypal accounts which dump into 1 master account, after which you would set up another master accnt etc.

Later.