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Banned 2/2, GGG Tracking IP

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mal1000

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A bit of background on my situation:

I'm using 2 separate computers, 1 modem/router and comcast/xfinity is my ISP. I was running two separate computers to run one bot on each. I botted from 10pm to like 7am, and played on either account maybe an hour or two each evening. My accounts were both banned after less than a week of botting. My main account was made a month or two after the original release, and the 2nd account just a week ago. Both accounts were banned at the same time and noticed when I checked the bots this morning, they both said "banned by an administrator".

Question to others:

So I'm certainly not an expert in information technology whatsoever, but I have been doing some looking into the forums here and peoples thoughts on the techniques used by GGG to ban us. Some are suggesting (not the moderator) that GGG tracks our IP address's. My computers are using IPv6, everytime I log in I have a completely unique IP address on each of the computers I use. I don't believe they would be able to track IPv6 IP address. On my computers, however, I could be completely wrong about this as I lack IT knowledge. Could someone please enlighten me about IPv6, and GGG ability to track our IP address's under IPv6?

Thanks!
 
Hey Champ,

Sorry to hear about your loss, especially one as old as your first account.

I do not have the IT knowledge either to assist with your question about IP, but from what I've seen most of the time it has come down to behaviour if you haven't had any prior bans. When you get a chance, can you elaborate on what exactly your bots were doing when they were running? The more details the better. It isn't going to get your account/s back, but it might help to figure out a likely cause. If you had both running at the same time, and they've deemed one ban worthy, I'm fairly sure they would have flagged the other for monitoring due to the same router/ISP and then likely picked up on the behaviour pattern on the second one. I've noticed in most cases they don't ban straight away, they try to see if there are any other active acc's the user might have first so they can snare all of them.
 
lyvewyre said:
Hey Champ,

Sorry to hear about your loss, especially one as old as your first account.

I do not have the IT knowledge either to assist with your question about IP, but from what I've seen most of the time it has come down to behaviour if you haven't had any prior bans. When you get a chance, can you elaborate on what exactly your bots were doing when they were running? The more details the better. It isn't going to get your account/s back, but it might help to figure out a likely cause. If you had both running at the same time, and they've deemed one ban worthy, I'm fairly sure they would have flagged the other for monitoring due to the same router/ISP and then likely picked up on the behaviour pattern on the second one. I've noticed in most cases they don't ban straight away, they try to see if there are any other active acc's the user might have first so they can snare all of them.
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So in my question I basically state that I don't think they could track my IP since i'm using IPv6, but I could be mistaken, at least when I do a google.com search for IP address, it shows my public address is different every time I restart my computer, they could track same ISP though as the first 4 sets of my IP address seem to be related to the ISP I guess? If someone could please answer my question regarding IPv6 and possible tracking by GGG that would be great, at least I'd know have that part narrowed down, and not stress about getting a VPN server rolling or something.

To answer your question Iyvewre, here are some more details about my activities:

Both bots were similar builds, both bots were running dried lake, Oldroutine, OldGrindbot. I think something else that may have helped them link my accounts and banned at the same time (if they were even correlated together) would be my user name was very similar on both, something I'll be changing next time around.
 
i got hit too man, lost 5/5 today. could just be an unlucky day for us all
 
You have to connect to the PoE servers via IPv4 (one official reply), so the IPv6 won't matter much depending on how the pass-through is handled.

Basically though it works like this, and this isn't specific just for PoE, but most games:
- If you connect to the game servers using the same network, the accounts can be associated. This is why people use a VPN/Proxy.
- If you connect to the game servers using the same machine (of either physical/virtual type), the accounts can be associated, typically by MAC address (PoE uses this) or some other sort of machine identification value.
- If you create/access different accounts on the website from the same network, they can be associated.
- If you use any similar information for the accounts: email, character names, personal info, they most likely will be associated.

GGG does a bunch of server sided tracking to tackle bots (guild, trade, party, etc...), and have always had a hard stance against RMT, so they do monitor new accounts, and any number of other things that we can only speculate about. Extensive botting in any area can be dangerous since GGG tracks instance creation, and you can assume has a lot of metrics in place to try and catch people. Basically though, it's a lot of trial and error, and some people are really unlucky while others are reckless and manage to get away with it. That's just the nature of botting in this game though.

What lyvewyre mentioned has been observed by many as well. If you had a well established behavior pattern on your main account, then they saw a drastic change a week ago which coincides with a new account, then they'd tie them together easily on the same IP. On your next go, I'd consider easing up on the total botting time at the start as well, as a new account and 10 hours daily for a week is pretty risky in my opinion, but some people do more and get away with it so it's all about trying to manage the risks.
 
Dbuddy said:
no one in the mood to make a ban report?

@uupiits
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my accounts get hit quite often, no point to report, on weekly bases i`d say.
Each on it`s own IP, VM, different mac and hwid. Only account that lives = one i trained legit 1-80, those purely boted get banned fast.
 
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A wave? Wait a second, lemme grab my surf board!

<3
 
Sorry for your loss guys. May you type exact time (with timezone) when you get banned? "today" is not accurate.
 
I saw this coming.There weren't any ban reports for like 2 weeks and now they started banning again.And sorry for your loss guys!
 
pushedx said:
You have to connect to the PoE servers via IPv4 (one official reply), so the IPv6 won't matter much depending on how the pass-through is handled.

Basically though it works like this, and this isn't specific just for PoE, but most games:
- If you connect to the game servers using the same network, the accounts can be associated. This is why people use a VPN/Proxy.
- If you connect to the game servers using the same machine (of either physical/virtual type), the accounts can be associated, typically by MAC address (PoE uses this) or some other sort of machine identification value.
- If you create/access different accounts on the website from the same network, they can be associated.
- If you use any similar information for the accounts: email, character names, personal info, they most likely will be associated.
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Thanks for the reply. So I have a VPN for each computer I'm going to use. But some of your bullet points above raise new concerns. They can track my computers by a MAC address? So using a different IP address for each won't matter as they flagged my machines somehow? Or is that only possible if I'm running VPN for multiple logins on one machine (which I'm not doing)?
 
mal1000 said:
Thanks for the reply. So I have a VPN for each computer I'm going to use. But some of your bullet points above raise new concerns. They can track my computers by a MAC address? So using a different IP address for each won't matter as they flagged my machines somehow? Or is that only possible if I'm running VPN for multiple logins on one machine (which I'm not doing)?
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you can change your mac using http://technitium.com/tmac/index.html
 
Because GGG started working again on the 6th This Month. When you get back, first thing you will want to do is hit the hammer.
 
mal1000 said:
Thanks for the reply, is changing MAC address necessary though if I am changing my public IP address via a VPN? Thanks!
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I'll try answering my own question here, and posted it simply for anyone else that may have this same question. Based on just googling this, a MAC address is not detectable by a website or anyone outside your network. The only thing GGG can see is your public IP address. When you use 2 different computers under the same router they will see the same public IP address, and undoubtedly create huge red flag for investigation and most likely get banned fast. If you use a VPN on each separate computer you will be safe to run a few bots.

I think behavior detection is huge for GGG as well though, so IP address is really only part of what they do in bot detection. I'm going to cut waaay back on the hours the bots run.
 
mal1000 said:
I'll try answering my own question here, and posted it simply for anyone else that may have this same question. Based on just googling this, a MAC address is not detectable by a website or anyone outside your network. The only thing GGG can see is your public IP address. When you use 2 different computers under the same router they will see the same public IP address, and undoubtedly create huge red flag for investigation and most likely get banned fast. If you use a VPN on each separate computer you will be safe to run a few bots.

I think behavior detection is huge for GGG as well though, so IP address is really only part of what they do in bot detection. I'm going to cut waaay back on the hours the bots run.
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It's wrong. Game is not website. Website's doesn't have access to your hardware without plugins like java. PoE does have that access and can read various values.
 
mal1000 said:
I'll try answering my own question here, and posted it simply for anyone else that may have this same question. Based on just googling this, a MAC address is not detectable by a website or anyone outside your network. The only thing GGG can see is your public IP address. When you use 2 different computers under the same router they will see the same public IP address, and undoubtedly create huge red flag for investigation and most likely get banned fast. If you use a VPN on each separate computer you will be safe to run a few bots.

I think behavior detection is huge for GGG as well though, so IP address is really only part of what they do in bot detection. I'm going to cut waaay back on the hours the bots run.
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If you are botting, knowing sooner or latter the hammer will hit. Might as make as much as you can no? I run 24/7 so meh. Profits cannot be cut.
 
Tormiasz said:
It's wrong. Game is not website. Website's doesn't have access to your hardware without plugins like java. PoE does have that access and can read various values.
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So I guess anytime you are banned it'd be a good idea to change your mac address each time. Great to know, thanks for correcting me.
 
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