Why Blizzard Cannot Justly Ban Accounts

[naut]

Wow someone is butthurt. I just LOL'd with your remarks so I opened with that but go back and read what is on topic. Then read this;
48 CFR 1852.227-86 - Commercial computer software
It states you do not need to sign anything before purchase.

As for the offtopic;
Galileo lived what, 400 years ago? Guess what was 400 years ago, the dark ages. Thanks for proving my point you. Let me share this with you. He wasn't the first person to say the earth was round. Many people proved this thousands of years before. How? A stick in one place during the winter solstice casts no shadow, while a stick thousands of kilometers away will cast one. Galileo needed to invent his telescope first. The main reason why he was thrown in jail was because he was challenging the faith of Catholics with his philosophical views. Catholics ruled Europe at the time.

Lol thanks for the laugh though, Galileo the first person to say the earth was round.

Edit; Try reading up on Pythagoras. He was one of the first Europeans recorded in modern literature to say the earth was round. Then you can get into how and why the Stonehenge matches with astronomical events like the solstices and changing of the constellations. Clearly the builders of these monoliths knew the earth was round and they lived an estimated ~3000 BCE, 5k years ago. There's more on other continents if you want, "maggot."

I have never encountered someone who craves attention so badly they will spur out a bunch of bullshit information regarding nothing to do with the topic just to be noticed. Its like you have tourette syndrome, type Buddy.
As for the rest.. You are comparing theories from televisions shows such as ANCIENT ALIENS to written history.. I lol'd for a good 10 minutes.
I encourage you to go to any history professor and tell them they knew the world was round 10,000 years ago. Matter of fact, go check out some info of the people who were beheaded for even suggesting it.
Being wrong is forgivable; being wrong and so arrogant you think youre teaching me a lesson, lol. Consider this your last response from me.

 

[Pedro105]

Guys this was an enteressing topic when it started why 2 or 3 egocentric have to make it about themselves, stop it your attention whores....let people read this was interessing!!!

 

[kork09]

well i said what i had to say and some statements around here don't deserve a real response (quoting the op)
so if there will be something worth responding to i will chime in if not then no

 

[Lichd2]

I think the end question here is:

If you purchase a license for a game, does that give you the right to use it how you choose, and can they disable access entirely?
D3 is different because there is no offline mode, and there's also RMAH, putting "real" value to things.

Talking about how botters ruin economy, how much you can make, or how big your dick is, are all irrelevant to the topic.

But again i'll say, nobody with the resources gives a shit.

 

[kork09]

Already answered to this but i'll put it here for whom didn't read the whole thread

I think the end question here is:

If you purchase a license for a game, does that give you the right to use it how you choose,

Nope

and can they disable access entirely?

And nope or refund

 

[Jirajha]

I encourage you to read that thoroughly.. not once is there a mention of an EULA existing you must agree to.

Has not to be remarkable in the EULA itself.
You have to agree to the EULA if u create an battle.net account and if u install that game.
If you do not, you cannot use the product.

As for the internet being free.. I fail to see your point in any way..

When did I mention at least one time, that the internet has to be free? The states are ordered to grant you a possibility to access the internet, not to present it. You could look for it by asking freinds to allow you or to do it in an internet caf?. That's all. And the state grants it by not forbidding. To get the information is your job. It just has to be noticed that you have to accept the EULA.

If you're going to post, at least take the time to read.

That's exactly what I thought when I read your post. And btw: You should not do incoherent comparisons. Example:

If the consumer purchases this product because it stops working they take it back, the store doesn't say "sorry you should have researched and forums and known it was going to break".

What exactly is the coherence to botting?
This is no case of guarantee. It's a case of doing things with products that you don't have the right to, because you don't own them, you just buy a licence that holds until you do forbidden things. Such as botting. If u create a battle.net account (wich you need to play and wich also is remarked outside the box) you accept this and if u install the game you accept this. Easy thing.

 

[kork09]

OP the more i think about it the easier things are (you dont need to involve lawyers or do anything complicated )

Step 1 : find a bank with a good long chargeback policy

Step 2 : you get banned for botting

Step 3 : Show a sign of good faith open a ticket and politely talk to them ( don't be rude )

Ex : I've been unjustly denied access to the game that i bought . The reason stated in the email is a matter of opinion of which i may or may not admit to it however in the spirit of elegantly trying to resolve this matter i agree to whatever action you deem necessary (such as wiping my account / gold etc ) which in the end may lead to restoring access to my account

Step 4 : If they respond with the robot email . you give them the fuck u chargeback

Step 5 : Repeat & problem solved

 

[IGG]

Ex : I've been unjustly denied access to the game that i bought . The reason stated in the email is a matter of opinion of which i may or may not admit to it however in the spirit of elegantly trying to resolve this matter i agree to whatever action you deem necessary (such as wiping my account / gold etc ) which in the end may lead to restoring access to my account

That's the point when you need to be honest with yourself: are you a scam or not. If you bot, you break the rules, you might be punished and this is the risk you take. But all that chargeback... I remember a lot of ppl who chargebacked virtual steroids after they made a TON of money using IM bot. That is the (ethics) question: to bot or not to bot

 

[kork09]

That's the point when you need to be honest with yourself: are you a scam or not. If you bot, you break the rules, you might be punished and this is the risk you take. But all that chargeback... I remember a lot of ppl who chargebacked virtual steroids after they made a TON of money using IM bot. That is the (ethics) question: to bot or not to bot

Not really i could simply say :
Hey bro i think your eula is bullshit , i don't consider myself breaking any rule (with simply botting ) so give me my account back or i chargeback on your ass. You have 5 minutes.

However i find it better to be polite to people and giving out more (even if you don't agree to it) . sometimes being the better person is simply better

 

[Nam3]

I have never encountered someone who craves attention so badly they will spur out a bunch of bullshit information regarding nothing to do with the topic just to be noticed. Its like you have tourette syndrome, type Buddy.
As for the rest.. You are comparing theories from televisions shows such as ANCIENT ALIENS to written history.. I lol'd for a good 10 minutes.
I encourage you to go to any history professor and tell them they knew the world was round 10,000 years ago. Matter of fact, go check out some info of the people who were beheaded for even suggesting it.
Being wrong is forgivable; being wrong and so arrogant you think youre teaching me a lesson, lol. Consider this your last response from me.

You stray off topic first, then resort to insulting people immediately. After proven wrong, you discredit wonders of the world and the workings of a physics genius as "ancient alien" trash tv from your country. Dark ages were dark ages, they beheaded witches and had no idea what the plague was. There's no denying these things. Ask any ancient or antiquity history prof and they will be glad to enlighten you. (If you can't find a history prof, ask any science major about a?+b?=c? and the man who formulated it.) Then after at the risk of looking like a hypocrite, going on about off topic stuff you dodge the fact that you started it and say "this will be the last reply." Funny. You almost got a semicolon right, but still start every other sentence with I. Bad troll is bad.




Also, you're posting numerous times about an issue regarding the EULA and the ToS of Diablo 3 then openly admit YOU NEVER READ IT. Seems like you don't know what you're talking about with anything. Bad troll is very bad.

You lost the case as soon as you clicked "I agree", if you do not agree, you simply return the game. Even blizzard can directly refund you if you have a copy of your receipt you can forward to them.

There's no way you win, sorry.

This, and only this. There have been multiple threads about this over the last 6 months and all of them disappear without any result or change. The phrase "beating a dead horse" fits in this situation.

 

[cjh034]

Naut and Nam - If you want to get technical about it, both of you are wrong. The world is not round - it's an oblate spheroid or an ellipse (proved by Newton about 50 or 60 yrs after Galileo). Pythagoras was the first recorded person to believe the earth was round. Eratosthenes was probably the first to prove it was a spherical object. Those two were somewhere around 500ish and 200ish BC. A lot of the scientific facts and theories were either lost or people were discouraged from believing them during the Dark Ages. Galileo was probably the first person to grab hold of the theory again but it was after the Dark Ages because he was born around 50 years after the Dark Ages ended. They were from approximately 500 to 1500 AD. Galileo lived from the mid 1500's to 1600's.

 

[Soullinker]

So on topic.
I don't know about Amurica, but in the more civilized places in the world.
TOS and that BS is below the law of the country you live.
Meaning that if the law of the country says that when you buy a product you can use it however you want. In case your denied the buyer the abillity to use what he bought the seller or provider needs to offer conpensation of some sort(refund for example). This means that if make a contract with a ISP and i don't get net or get a bad service like 1kb/s when i payed for 50 mb/s the ISP should pay for my troubles.

Now here comes the TOS, which you have no way to read beforehand on the box or you offered any way to read it. Or even if you do there is no way to prove you know that it even exist before you make the purchase because you don't sign or agree to it. AFTER you buy it and finished the trade between you/blizzard your presented a TOS.
Which is = of that of buying a car and then finding a piece of paper on the seat stating that you agree that you won't driver faster than 10km/h or your car will be taken(or something of the line) and your given the choice to agree or get refund. But since the car is allready yours and the trade is done, no one can tell you how to use the car and the seller has no rights to tell you how to use your new product.

This is not the case since Blizzard will stop your acces to the game if you do X which is against the law. They cover their shit with the TOS which your made to sign before you play. Which is below the law and acording to it you allready own the game and the seller how to use it as the trade is allready done.
Blizzard can't even ban you TBH. Only thing you can do that is legally wrong is to steal their IP, which you don't.

 

[Voidshift]

Polyester's example is just as about as perfect I was going to describe. If you are buying retail copy you are buying the game key license that is attached to your account, the software itself is free the license to use it however is the cost. If you fail to follow the rules of the license stated in the EULA than your license can be revoked. I don't understand how anyone thinks they have a leg to stand on in this scenario, I thought everyone fully understood this when they started botting. Use at your own discretion.

 

[Voidshift]

It's more like getting a free car (d3 software) and a license being inside the car which allows you to drive it but you have to agree before using. Improper use of the vehicle may result in penalties or license removal. You can however return your free vehicle and license if you choose to not agree with the license agreement.

The last part is from personal experience but may differ from country to country. I have never had an issue retail or digital returning a purchase from Blizzard and would assume it would be even easier stating you refuse to agree to the EULA.

 

[kork09]

As a fact of the matter there is a legit need for bots in almost any online game due to the grind as well as the fact that a significant number of the playerbase wants to use bots(for various reasons) and others cheats . I'm a cheater myself , i've cheated in almost every offline game that i've played to simply go past the shitty parts of the game and i don't feel bad about it as i see nothing wrong with it .

As soon as game companies start realising that a significant number of the player base is not dumb and can see past the bullshit the better off they can be . Is like in real life 100 dumb people who jump the bandwagon 3 smart people who do it differently .
The only smart thing for them to do is to take bots into account and design the games accordingly and even use the bots to make more money (if they are upset that bots make money of their games)

So in the end , im sure game companies like to read what people behind the "scene" say about them , we don't care about your rules we will continue to bot and cheat your games if we consider it necessary and if talking nicely to you doesn't work and u ban us we will simply refund/chargeback which is perfectly legal and there is nothing you can do about it . (taking a small example gw2 banned 34k players in november which means 34k x 32e = 1 088 000 euros AUCH )

 

[Polyester]

As a fact of the matter there is a legit need for bots in almost any online game due to the grind as well as the fact that a significant number of the playerbase wants to use bots(for various reasons) and others cheats . I'm a cheater myself , i've cheated in almost every offline game that i've played to simply go past the shitty parts of the game and i don't feel bad about it as i see nothing wrong with it .

As soon as game companies start realising that a significant number of the player base is not dumb and can see past the bullshit the better off they can be . Is like in real life 100 dumb people who jump the bandwagon 3 smart people who do it differently .
The only smart thing for them to do is to take bots into account and design the games accordingly and even use the bots to make more money (if they are upset that bots make money of their games)

So in the end , im sure game companies like to read what people behind the "scene" say about them , we don't care about your rules we will continue to bot and cheat your games if we consider it necessary and if talking nicely to you doesn't work and u ban us we will simply refund/chargeback which is perfectly legal and there is nothing you can do about it . (taking a small example gw2 banned 34k players in november which means 34k x 32e = 1 088 000 euros AUCH )

you are so delusional if you think bots actually help games.

 

[kork09]

you are so delusional if you think bots actually help games.

and you need to GTFO scumbag for trying to justify the abuse from some game companies and asking for bot bans

bots do 2 major things : get u past game deficiencies which almost all online games have and without which you would most certainly quit the game . some people buy gold some people bot same shit
provide a business avenue in some cases which in my eyes is 100% legit . because if blizzard makes a rmah thats morally ok and acceptable . but when bots make money of games that's not ok . it's the same shit

 

[IGG]

Well, it is pointless to argue with the person if he believes that cheating is good and bots are helpful for the games.

The bots ruin online games and all kind of cheating completely ruin game experience. Next time you'll tell that stealing is good, some thieves give money to charity etc.

 

[kork09]

There's only one problem with that . botting is not illegal while stealing is . and if you want to take it a lot further prostitution is legal in Netherlands not that it would be comparable

The only motivation for the scum above me and others like him is that he disagrees with bots(even if he is botting himself) and wants bot bans so that 99% of bot are banned and only him remains so that he makes more money.
And as said before i would agree with some sort of natural selection but not with bot bans but with making some bots more successful than others which is a lot more elegant and possibly more profitable (for some and less profitable for others)

 

[Lichd2]

There's only one problem with that . botting is not illegal while stealing is . and if you want to take it a lot further prostitution is legal in Netherlands not that it would be comparable

The only motivation for the scum above me and others like him is that he disagrees with bots(even if he is botting himself) and wants bot bans so that 99% of bot are banned and only him remains so that he makes more money.
And as said before i would agree with some sort of natural selection but not with bot bans but with making some bots more successful than others which is a lot more elegant and possibly more profitable (for some and less profitable for others)

Topic has officially been de-railed.